Quick Question about Inferno Reckless Summoning

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maniac_flip

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Now, I know that you have to special summon a 1500 or less ATK monster, and your opponent needs to have a monster face up on their side of the field for you to activate this card. But what about at its resolution? If the activation requirements are met, can you chain one of many cards that can put your opponent's monster face down or remove it from the field, to stop your opponent from summoning anything? Or do they need a monster face up through the entire resolution of Inferno Reckless Summon?

So in short:
Player A has Mokey Mokey face up on their side of the field.
Player B uses Call of the Haunted to special summon a Proto-Cyber Dragon.
Player B activates Inferno Reckless Summon.
Player A has no response.
Player B chains Book of Moon to put Mokey Mokey face down.
Does Player B still get to get all of the copies of Cyber Dragon?
 
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Cropz said:
it's was just ruled that those effects where the card wasn't originally in the graveyard (or would summon itself from the graveyard) wouldn't be negated by 'Necrovalley', this is not the case of 'Inferno Reckless Summon'.
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Red-Moon Baby doesn't summon the monster it destroys until the end of the Battle Phase. So, I think that would qualify as the same as "being" in the Graveyard, and Special Summoned by the effect of Red-Moon Baby, especially since it isn't a mandatory effect, you actually have to activate it.

I still say the only card that is targeted is the original card that is Special Summoned, and that the cards in the Graveyard arent specifically targeted as part of the effect and resemble more and more along the lines of Red-Moon Baby.
 
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maniac_flip said:
Okay, so... I can chain Book of Moon, putting their monster face down. I get to summon 3 Cyber Dragons. And my opponent gets nothing. Right? Or no, the effect Disappears because my opponent no longer has a face up monster?
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It only needs the conditions to be correct for activation, not resolution. It doesn't matter if the monster on your opponent's side of the field is flipped face-down as long as there was one face-up at activation, you would still Special Summon your monsters.

Also note that the timing for when monsters are chosen for the effect are different for you then for your opponent. You select yours at activation. He selects his at resolution.

Neither you nor your opponent select anything on his side of the field at the activation of the effect. The card effect only requires that there be at least one face-up monster on his side of the field as part of its activation conditions. Your opponent will then select a monster when IRS resolves, but it could be any face-up he has on the field. Not the one that was face-up at the time Inferno Reckless Summon was activated. He could just as easily chain Call of the Haunted to the effect and select the monster it Special Summons for the effect of IRS.



Cropz said:
'Necrovalley' negates the card's effect, not just a portion of it, and since you don't have the option of not summoning the monster that's in the graveyard, there's no way around it
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I'm fairly certain that only applies when the entire effect is dependant on the Graveyard.
If "Necrovalley" is on the field, you can Special Summon "Gilasaurus" using its effect, but the effect that lets your opponent Special Summon is negated.


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hello everybody, if i attack with my Shining Angel to a higher attack monster lets say breaker,after that i special summon a proto Cyber Dragon, can i activate infernal reckless summon without any hassle? and bring 4 extra Cyber Dragons to the field???

i ask this beacause this situation was canceled by a judge at a local turney today citing something with phases and timing...

thanks a lot for sharing your wisdom!
 
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The reason you cannot use Inferno Reckless Summon with the effects of Shining Angel, Mystic Tomato, Giant Rat, etc. is because these Special Summons occur during the Damage Step.

Only Counter Traps (Magic Jammer, Negate Attack, et al), cards that specificaly modify ATK/DEF(Covering Fire, Limiter Removal), and cards that have very specific timing (Nutrient Z, Rope of Life) can be activated during the Damage Step.

There are a handful of excetions to those rules (Null and Void, Chthonian Blast for example), but Inferno Reckless Summon is not one of them.
 
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Im not refuting the ruling, I was only referring to it not only applying to the graveyard, it applies to the hand, field and graveyard, meaning that its effect is not entirely dependant on the Graveyard.

On a side note I cannot believe how Konami would expect that we have to Believe that Fiber Jar, Big Burn etc. target, @_@
 
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Digital Jedi said:
Because according to the ruling, Fiber Jar targets.


"Necrovalley" negates any effect that targets a card or cards in the Graveyard. So "Necrovalley" WILL negate the effect of: "Monster Reborn", "Premature Burial", "Call of the Haunted", "Question", "Backup Soldier", "Spear Cretin", "The Shallow Grave", "Magician of Faith", "Fiber Jar", "Penguin Knight", and "Agido".
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Forget the word "so"

It's just listing cards that necrovally negates, Fiber Jar, Penguin Knight, and Agido do not target.

Or rather, the ruling is using the word "target" in its meaning (and not as a game mechanic). I.E. it's using 'target' as it appears in the dictionary.
 
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