Relinquished Ruling Official?

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darthangel

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I know that I posted this question on another topic, but there still has not yet been a response:

Relinquished
(Spell Ruler, Starter Deck Pegasus)
Select 1 monster on your opponent's side of the field and equip it to this card (this effect can only be used once per turn and you can only equip 1 monster at a time to this card). The ATK and DEF of this card become the same amounts as the monster equipped to this card. If this card is destroyed as a result of battle, the equipped monster is destroyed instead, and any battle damage you received from the battle is also inflicted to your opponent's Life Points.
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UDE completely removed the effect of a face-down monster resulting in an ATK of 0. Is this an official ruling or is it a mistake?
 
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Curtis answered this on the Mailing List in regards to "Thousand Eyes Restrict" so the same would still be true with "Relinquished"

If you use RQ/TER's effect to suck up a face down monster, their ATK/DEF remains at 0/0. You do not flip over the card to see what it is.

- Andrew
 
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Not really. Taking a creature and attaching it to Relinquished/Thousand Eyes Restrict doesn't change the position of monster. Therefore, if the monster is face down, there is no ATK or DEF to speak of which is why RQ/TER stay at their original ATK/DEF (aka 0/0).

- Andrew
 
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There's been some debate about that. One side says "yes" because if you used "Change of Heart" on a face-down monster you are in control of it so you can look at it and decide whether to flip it or not. The other side said "no" since even though it is attached to Relinquished, you're not gaining anything from it nor was there any possibility to flip it so you're supposed to remain in the dark about it until it goes to the graveyard.

Personally, I've usually looked, and usually noone's complained (1 person did once). And again, when it's sent to the graveyard you'll see what it was anyway. If there is something official that says you can't look before hand, then next time I run RQ, I won't look. Otherwise, it usually hasn't been an issue.

- Andrew
 
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By using the effect (and it properly resolving) of Relinquished/TER, you are gaining control of the card you equip (which is why face-up Mataza, etc. cannot be 'sucked up). You are ALWAYS allowed to look at cards you control.
 
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It should be ruled that your are allowed to see any face-down cards on your side of the field, because with RQ/TER's effect, you can mistake the equipped card as one of your face-down spell/trap card. Also, what about cards that specificalyl designate face-down spell/trap cards (nobleman of extermination). You wouldn't normally play an equip card face-down, so why would an opponent's monster that is equipped make a difference?
 
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darthangel said:
with RQ/TER's effect, you can mistake the equipped card as one of your face-down spell/trap card.
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:? From what I know (Game Boy Advance, it might be wrong  :p) you equip the monster in the EXACT position it was, attack or defense. Then, if the monster is in defense mode, it should be very easy to distinguish it along the face-down Magic/Traps. This kind of confusion should appear only with Darkness Approaches against an attack position monster.

darthangel said:
Also, what about cards that specificalyl designate face-down spell/trap cards (nobleman of extermination).
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It seems that the face-down monster is a legal target. It is an Equip Magic Card and it is face-down.

darthangel said:
You wouldn't normally play an equip card face-down, so why would an opponent's monster that is equipped make a difference?
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If I get your statement, I would say that those kind of effects always allow you to do something that you wouldn't normally do. You wouldn't normally use a monster as an Equip Magic Card, but that is what Relinquished can do. Relinquished says that any monster (excepting face-up Mataza the Zapper and company) in any position is allowed. We obey.  :D
 
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I still say that it should go face-up. You would still mistake it for one of your own spell/trap cards. And I don't think that a face-down card can really be equipped to any monster, regardless of relinquished's effect. It should still go face-up. I still think that any card on your side of the field should be seen by you. Why should Change of Heart have more significance the TER/RQ's effect? If you can see the monster for Change of Heart, then you should be able to see it for TER/RQ's.
 
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darthangel said:
I still say that it should go face-up. You would still mistake it for one of your own spell/trap cards. And I don't think that a face-down card can really be equipped to any monster, regardless of relinquished's effect. It should still go face-up. I still think that any card on your side of the field should be seen by you. Why should Change of Heart have more significance the TER/RQ's effect? If you can see the monster for Change of Heart, then you should be able to see it for TER/RQ's.
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Nobody that I know would mistake the face down card as one of their own S/T cards for 2 reasons: 1) most people put it right under Relinquished/Thousand Eyes Restrict and 2) Most of the time, the sleeves for the opponent and the player aren't the same.

As for "Change of Heart", you get the monster in the exact same way that it was on your opponent's side of the field. But because it's still a monster, you can flip it, use it, sac it, etc. Also if you read Dlanaan's post, he said you can look at the face down card you equip to RQ/TER. It just stays face down though.

Lastly, effects of the cards are meant for breaking the rules. RQ/TER can have a face down "equip" spell, "Total Defense Shogun" can attack from defense position, "D. D. Scout Plane" has an effect that activates when it is removed from play (yes, the monster special summons itself from what is supposed to be "never to be seen for the rest of the duel"). So RQ/TER aren't the first to have effects that "break" the rules (or maybe they are actually considering their age), but they certainly aren't the last and there will most likely be more to come.

- Andrew
 
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darthangel said:
I still say that it should go face-up. You would still mistake it for one of your own spell/trap cards. And I don't think that a face-down card can really be equipped to any monster, regardless of relinquished's effect. It should still go face-up. I still think that any card on your side of the field should be seen by you. Why should Change of Heart have more significance the TER/RQ's effect? If you can see the monster for Change of Heart, then you should be able to see it for TER/RQ's.
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OK first, Change of heart does not have more significance than TER/RQ. It has been stated above that you are allowed to look at the face down monster because you can look at ANY cards you control and you now control that card.

Second, if it is placed face-up then it will often be confused for a monster that was sucked up while it was face up (thus giving TER/RQ the ATK/DEF of the monster). If you are worried about it getting mixed up (because of matching sleeves or no sleeves) then put something on top of it (my Preference) or turn it sideways (what I see most often).
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got a question for thousand eye Restrict

Do you have to ritual summon relinquish before you can use it to fusion summon it to thousand eye restrict or can I use polymistation on relinquish in my hand and thousand eyes I am not playing playing relinquished just using it as a cost for to summon the fusion card
 
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Re: got a question for thousand eye Restrict

altersound6419 said:
Do you have to ritual summon relinquish before you can use it to fusion summon it to thousand eye restrict or can I use polymistation on relinquish in my hand and thousand eyes I am not playing playing relinquished just using it as a cost for to summon the fusion card
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You can use "Relinquished" from your hand along with "Thousand-Eyes Idol" to properly summon "Thousand-Eyes Restrict" to the field. The "Relinquished" you use however will not be able to be special summoned from the graveyard since it wasn't correctly summoned in the first place. But there are no restrictions upon using "Relinquished" as the proper fusion-material from your hand.

- Andrew
 
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Can somebody please help me? This happened today at my tournament.
1)If my opponent's Thousand Eyes Restrict sucks up my Masked Dragon and than ends their turn, than I summon Spear Dragon and end my turn, can they get rid of the Masked Dragon to steal my Spear Dragon? I am a judge and know a lot of rulings but I haven't had that ever come up before. It just doesn't seem right.
2)Also one more question. If my opponent has Thousand Eyes Restrict equipped with a 1400 atk monster and he attacks my 1900 atk monster with the Thousand Eyes Restrict does it die from battle? It isn't the same as Relinquished where the monster sucked up dies instead right? I mean they are two different cards.
Thank you very much for your help.
 
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1)  Your opponent cannot "voluntarily" send a card to the Graveyard that was absorbed by Relinquished/Thousand to reabsorb another Monster unless the monster that was previously absorbed was destroyed or returned to the owners hand (Giant Trunade).

2)  The equipped Monster is destroyed instead if Thousand is attacked or attacks a higher attack position monster.
 
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