Revealing searched cards?

[Ojimaru]

I'm a little confused as to whether you have to reveal all cards that are searched from your deck, graveyard or RFG zone via card effect. For example, do I have to show my opponent the Giant Rat I moved from my deck to my hand with Sangan's effect? How about Ancient Gear Drill's effect?

 

[skey23]

Anytime you search your deck for a card, you must reveal that card to your opponent. The only time in which you don't do this is for the effect of "Different Dimension Capsule", if I'm not mistaken.

 

[masterwoo0]

I'm a little confused as to whether you have to reveal all cards that are searched from your deck, graveyard or RFG zone via card effect. For example, do I have to show my opponent the Giant Rat I moved from my deck to my hand with Sangan's effect? How about Ancient Gear Drill's effect?

Any time you search your Deck for a card that has a specific card type mentioned in the effect text, you must show your opponent.

The only time you are not required to reveal the searched card is when the effect allows you to remove "any" card from your Deck, as "any card" can be anything, while "any SPELL card" must be revealed.

Des Feral Imp allows you to remove any card from your Graveyard and return it to your Deck. You do not have to reveal what type of card you removed (unless your opponent chains to his effect with a card like Disappear, or D.D. Crow).

Magician of Faith allows you to remove a Spell Card from your Graveyard and return it to hand. You must show that you removed a Spell Card, which means you do NOT just show that it is "green". You must show the full card face, with all information visible.

If you activate Miracle Dig, you are only allowed to return 3 Monsters to your Graveyard, and again, you must show the full card face, as the cards are specifically mentioned by the effect text.

Primal Seed only says to return two cards to hand that are removed from play, so you do not have to reveal the cards to your opponent.

Different Dimension Capsule also does not require the card to be revealed.

 

[Ojimaru]

Right, that clears things up. Thanks guys!

 

[John Danker]

Are you sure about what you wrote masterwoo0? It seems odd that cards that target at activation don't have to name their targets?

Primal Seed
You target the 2 removed cards when you activate "Primal Seed".

Des Feral Imp
FLIP: Select 1 card from your Graveyard, add it to your Deck, and shuffle your Deck.

Although I must say that word "select" I'm always wary of!

 

[masterwoo0]

Are you sure about what you wrote masterwoo0? It seems odd that cards that target at activation don't have to name their targets?

Primal Seed
You target the 2 removed cards when you activate "Primal Seed".

Des Feral Imp
FLIP: Select 1 card from your Graveyard, add it to your Deck, and shuffle your Deck.

Although I must say that word "select" I'm always wary of!

Well, you can't really target a face-down card's name with Primal Seed.

Besides, the actual Card Text says "add two cards".

As for Des Feral Imp, the card you select is being targeted, but that is totally seperate from the "Reveal the card because you searched" issue. It's being revealed because Des Feral Imp's effect creates a chainable event, in which the opponent may respond by removing the selected card. Not necessarily because you must show the card you chose, because it is not specified as to which card you must choose.

 

[mikoal]

i might as well ask here.......
its kinda about looking through ur deck and revealing cards?

can you activate future fusion when you have no fusion materials in your deck, if so what happens to FF and do they get to scan through ur deck?

EDIT: hmmm

You cannot activate "Future Fusion" if you do not have a Fusion Monster in your Fusion Deck and the appropriate Fusion Material Monsters in your Main Deck.



then i ask, how do u know? what if u dont know ur deck well and just made it? its quite possible?

 

[masterwoo0]

i might as well ask here.......
its kinda about looking through ur deck and revealing cards?

can you activate future fusion when you have no fusion materials in your deck, if so what happens to FF and do they get to scan through ur deck?

EDIT: hmmm

You cannot activate "Future Fusion" if you do not have a Fusion Monster in your Fusion Deck and the appropriate Fusion Material Monsters in your Main Deck.



then i ask, how do u know? what if u dont know ur deck well and just made it? its quite possible?

Your Fusion Deck is not the same as your Main Deck. You may check it at any time, so there shouldnt really be any reason you wouldnt know what you have available, especially when your Graveyard is public knowledge as well. If you build your Deck, and have appropriate Fusions for it, you already have the names of the monsters listed, or Fusion Subs.

 

[mikoal]

yea i know u can check ur fusion deck
and u can check ur graveyard.....

but is it not possible for someone to make a mistake, or they had a cyber dragon out of play, and they activated FF wihtout thinking, but when they checked their deck to pull out a chimeratech, or cyber twin, they cant.......what would ahppen then

 

[Maruno]

He brings up a good point. The contents of the Deck are only known when you build it, NOT during the game itself. How else can you "fail to find" a monster for Sangan's effect, or "fail to find" a Mystical Shine Ball for The Agent of Creation - Venus or etc.?

Contents of the Deck are not known during a Duel. The Restricted List does not exist during a Duel.

Presumably if you misactivate Future Fusion, it goes back to your hand (or face-down on the field, if it was there before it was activated) once you realise the mistake.

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

Any time a card targets or does anything else to a card(s) in the graveyard you must let your opponent know as much as you do about the cards in the graveyard.
It doesn't matter whether it's at activation or resolution, chianing to the effect is completely irrelevant

The graveyard is as much public knowledge as which cards are on the field, and which effects involve them.

 

[Fury]

Yeah, the ruling for Future Fusion is really odd. Especially, since you searched your deck already which means the game state became irrepairable if you "fail to find", didnt it?

On a related note, if "Andro Sphinx" and "Sphinx Teleia" on my side of the field are destroyed at the same time, and I pay 500 for the trigger effect of "Theinen the Great Sphinx" (and my opp had the chance to chain to it) what happens if I "fail to find"?
Did I pay 500 for an effect that doesnt even exist?

 

[Entropy]

I have enough problems with the rulings for Theinen, but I do know that if you can't find one in your deck, then the effect is improperly activated. I believe that the game would rewind to the point where you activated the imaginary Theinen 's effect.

 

[drzero7]

You have to reveal it just in case you don't cheat. I mean, without that, you might search Breaker with Sangan and we can't varify that he cheated. (Or say, you search Sangan with ROTA, or searched Mirror Force with Ancient Gear Drill, etc.) Yeah, Different Dimension Capsule and Golden Sealed Chest are different since it can search anything, so nothing is wrong with those.

 

[DarkLogicianOfCaos]

If someone activates Future Fusion and finds that they don't have the material monsters, you would have an illegal activation and it would go back to whence it came. However, I would still allow the opponent to verify that the necessary Monster (in this case, Cyber Dragon) was not actually in the deck.

 

[Maruno]

If someone activates Future Fusion and finds that they don't have the material monsters, you would have an illegal activation and it would go back to whence it came. However, I would still allow the opponent to verify that the necessary Monster (in this case, Cyber Dragon) was not actually in the deck.

Remember you need Cyber Dragon AND at least 1 other Machine-Type monster. You can have a Cyber Dragon in your Deck, and no other Machines, and Future Fusion still won't work.

 

[Ojimaru]

If someone activates Future Fusion and finds that they don't have the material monsters, you would have an illegal activation and it would go back to whence it came. However, I would still allow the opponent to verify that the necessary Monster (in this case, Cyber Dragon) was not actually in the deck.

So does that imply that Future Fusion is considered to be unresolved? I ask this in relation to Toon Table of Contents: if I activate my last Toon Table of Contents and do not find a "Toon" card in my deck, would Toon Table of Contents still be considered resolved, or will it return to my hand?

 

[masterwoo0]

So does that imply that Future Fusion is considered to be unresolved? I ask this in relation to Toon Table of Contents: if I activate my last Toon Table of Contents and do not find a "Toon" card in my deck, would Toon Table of Contents still be considered resolved, or will it return to my hand?

Toon Table of Contents is just a search effect. If you dont have any cards within the parameters of its effect, then it resolves without effect.

Just like you cant activate Polymerization if you dont have all the material, you cannot activate Future Fusion if you do not have a proper way to summon the selected monster.

 

[DarkLogicianOfCaos]

Remember you need Cyber Dragon AND at least 1 other Machine-Type monster. You can have a Cyber Dragon in your Deck, and no other Machines, and Future Fusion still won't work.

My post was referencing this one....

yea i know u can check ur fusion deck
and u can check ur graveyard.....

but is it not possible for someone to make a mistake, or they had a cyber dragon out of play, and they activated FF wihtout thinking, but when they checked their deck to pull out a chimeratech, or cyber twin, they cant.......what would ahppen then

Sorry, I should've quoted for clarity.

And thanks for the back-up Woo0.