Rivalry of Warlords

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In the case of Cyber Jar, the turn player may be the controller of Cyber Jar. The turn player "may" Special Summon his monsters, or he "may" choose to set them.

The advantage for Cyber Jar is much greater than Rivalry by going first. You have longer to look at your opponents monsters as the turn player.

Rivalry of Warlords the advantage is only gained if you have face-down monsters or the same type face-up, in my opinion.

Dragged Down into the Grave already states the turn player goes first in the ruling.
 
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Here is a question

This makes no sense at all.

Ok in the Rulings Page of Netrepâ„¢ the thing says "Rivalry of Warlords"
does not stop you from summoning a diffrent type of monster from hand if you have DNA surgary out. However DNA Surgary only changes the types of monster on the field not the hand. Now you are thinking well obv it's because it's something else as "soon as it is summoned."

Ok now when you see that let's think about it then you read this ruling:
[Re: Uria, Lord of Searing Flames] If you control "Rivalry of Warlords" and 2 other face-up Trap Cards, and you control a non-Pyro monster, you cannot send the 3 face-up Trap Cards to the Graveyard to Summon "Uria, Lord of Searing Flames" because "Rivalry of Warlords" prevents you from Summoning monsters of different Types.
Now if I'm correct the DNA Surgary Rulings is saying you can... :-\
And further more The summoning of Uria is not done untill after the cost is payed correct? Please correct me if I'm rong, but I think I'm right.

Please someone respond for me.

I will post this somewhere else if no body says anything.
 
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I'm not sure how the Uria ruling creates any problems. When you summon a monster any Continuous modifiers that would affect it immediatly affect it. It's the declared typ as soon as it hits the field with DNA Surgery in play. The Uria ruling doesn't say anything about DNA Surgery. But if it where in play, she would be summonable.
 
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It's because Rivalry of Warlords was removed from the field in the middle of an action (the Special Summon). Its effect will still be active, even though it is not on the field, until the first "gap" where the effect can stop (between links in a chain, for example, although here it would be just after Uria, Lord of Searing Flames was Summoned and before cards like Bottomless Trap Hole could be activated).

But you're trying to Summon a different Type of monster while Rivalry of Warlords is still in effect (even though the card itself is gone). That's just not on, therefore you can't Special Summon in the first place.
 
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Digital Jedi said:
I'm not sure how the Uria ruling creates any problems. When you summon a monster any Continuous modifiers that would affect it immediatly affect it. It's the declared typ as soon as it hits the field with DNA Surgery in play. The Uria ruling doesn't say anything about DNA Surgery. But if it where in play, she would be summonable.
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I don't think you see what I'm saying, I said that if you have like for Ex: 3 Rivalery of Warlords on the field and you have like Uria in hand how can you not offer the 3 Warlords to then summon Uria?

Because if DNA was out You could but it makes no sense because URia is in hand. and not on field there for Warlords is gone before you summon Uria.
 
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OKay, I didn't see where your sending Rivalry of Warlords as a cost.

The thing is, you can't summon Uriawith Rivalry on the field. So you cannot attempt to do so while the affect is still on. Sending them to the Graveyard is part of the attempt, so you cannot perform the action.
 
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NeoAqua777 said:
I don't think you see what I'm saying, I said that if you have like for Ex: 3 Rivalery of Warlords on the field and you have like Uria in hand how can you not offer the 3 Warlords to then summon Uria?

Because if DNA was out You could but it makes no sense because URia is in hand. and not on field there for Warlords is gone before you summon Uria.
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The difference is that in the case of the DNA Surgery ruling, Rivalry of Warlords i sstill in play when the monster hits the field. As far as Rivalry is concerned, ANY and all monsters summoned are going to be the same type, regardless of what you have in your hand. Anysummons you peform are ogingt o be legal from Rivalry's poit of view.

But in the Uria example, Uria is going to hit the field as a Pyro-Type. Since you know that the monster type is not correct, you can't even attempt to perform the summon.
 
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Maruno said:
It's because Rivalry of Warlords was removed from the field in the middle of an action (the Special Summon). Its effect will still be active, even though it is not on the field, until the first "gap" where the effect can stop (between links in a chain, for example, although here it would be just after Uria, Lord of Searing Flames was Summoned and before cards like Bottomless Trap Hole could be activated).

But you're trying to Summon a different Type of monster while Rivalry of Warlords is still in effect (even though the card itself is gone). That's just not on, therefore you can't Special Summon in the first place.
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So you are saying it works like this for any type of cost alright then I will remember that. ^_^
 
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NeoAqua777 said:
ok so you are saying that if I have DNA on the field I can summon Uria anyways with like 2 other Rivalery of Warlords. obv

However I can also summon Uria if Royal Decree chain to the activation cost of Uria's summoning?
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Well, first off, you cannot chain to summons. So there is no chain point created when Uria's summoned. You also cannot chain to costs, as they are not effects in of themselves. I'm not sure what you were attempting to do with Royal Decree though. Could you explain further?
 
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NeoAqua777 said:
So you are saying it works like this for any type of cost alright then I will remember that. ^_^
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Well, the key thing here is Rivalry of Warlords' effect. It is preventing the summon of monsters with a different type. It's not a matter of if Rivalry knows what you have in your hand or a matter of costs. It's a matter of the the effect of Rivalry placing a restriction on what you can and cannot do. If Rivalry says you cannot summon monsters of a different type, then you cannot perform any actions that would do so.
 
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Digital Jedi said:
Well, first off, you cannot chain to summons. So there is no chain point created when Uria's summoned. You also cannot chain to costs, as they are not effects in of themselves. I'm not sure what you were attempting to do with Royal Decree though. Could you explain further?
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OK for Example I have let's say 2 face-up Rivalry of Warlords on the field, and I also have 1 face-up DNA Surgery on the field.
So then I decide to offer the 3 f/u cards and I play Royal Decree chain to there offerings for Uria would in this case mean that I can still summon the Uria?
 
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ok if I'm correct now this Forseeing stuff all means that If I have manticore in the graveyard and I have a Beast type monster on the field the turn MAnticore was sent to the grave. and THus I have a FACE-up DNA on the field Changing all the f/u monster on field to insect, I can still offer the monster because I "know it will be beast when it hits the Grave?" 0_o or am I rong and I have no idea what you are all talking about... lol
 
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NeoAqua777 said:
OK for Example I have let's say 2 face-up Rivalry of Warlords on the field, and I also have 1 face-up DNA Surgery on the field.
So then I decide to offer the 3 f/u cards and I play Royal Decree chain to there offerings for Uria would in this case mean that I can still summon the Uria?
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Okay, I think I understand. Royal Decree doesn't really do anything in this instance. In fact, you cannot chain to sending these trap cards to the Graveyard, as this does not create a chain point. This is a summon. The only thing you can do with a summon like this is respond to the monster after the summon has been successful. But like I said, Royal Decree doesn't really do anything in that instance.

I think I get what your trying to do here though. The question is your intent while Rivalry is on the field.

When you have Rivalry of Warlords on the field, two other Continuous Trap Cards, a non-Pyro-Type on your side and Uria in your hand, what is your intention when summoning Uria? Are you intending to summon a monster that meets Rivalry of Warlord's conditions? In this case your not, so you cannot even attempt to perform the summon.

Now lets take the same example, but make one of the other two traps DNA Surgery. What is you intention now? Now you intend to summon a monster that will meet the requirements of Rivalry of Warlords.

Like I said, it's about whether you are allowed to perform the action or not. Not about what will be on the field when you are done.
 
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