Ruling reversals - Continuous Traps

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Thanks for posting this link fury. I know it was in our Judge Bot, but it is an important change and I don't want folks to miss it.

The summary: Your opponent activates Monster Reborn, you can now chain Royal Oppression AND choose to activate it's ignition effect at the same time (paying the 800 LP) to negate the special summon, Oppression then remains on the field for future use.
 
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I believe Appropriate is different, since it has a Continuous Effect, not an Ignition effect. It needs to be face-up when your opponent draws, since you immediately draw after they draw.
 
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Appropriate text:

You can activate this card when your opponent draws a card outside of his/her Draw Phase. After that, each time your opponent draws cards outside of his/her Draw Phase, you draw 2 cards.

The first sentence...

So no

:p
 
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hmmm.....I have a few Questions!

Can I use the effect only once when I flip it Face-Up?
Ex.1 Opponent activates Monster Reborn, I chain with Royal Oppression(Flip it Face-Up) and Pay 800 lp. Then Opponent chains to the activation of Royal Oppression with Call of The Haunted, now can I pay 800 lp again to negate COTH?

Ex.2 Royal Oppression again! Opponent activates Monster Reborn...I don't respond to it, then opponent chains to his MR with Call of The Haunted and then I flip Royal Oppression. Now, is Paying 1600 lp to negate both the opponents cards considered as a legal move?

Ex.3 Lets Take Skull Lair as our reference card this time...Can I flip Skull Lair and declare to use its effect to destroy two monsters on the field at the same time, before opponent chains to it with his card? Lets say, I flip Skull Lair, now first I remove 4 monsters from play and target 1 monster on the field. Now Can I again remove 4 Monsters on the field to target a different or same monster before priority is passed to the opponent?

ThanQ in advance for answering my Questions :)

~ Lord Sesshoumaru
 
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Ledah said:
Appropriate text:

You can activate this card when your opponent draws a card outside of his/her Draw Phase. After that, each time your opponent draws cards outside of his/her Draw Phase, you draw 2 cards.

The first sentence...

So no

:p
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ahh aperently this is another card that got text changed on it and isnt listed in the irratta. my simply says 'you can activate this card when your opponent draws a card outside of his/her draw phase. Draw 2 cards from your deck.':D
 
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Lord Sesshoumaru said:
hmmm.....I have a few Questions!

Can I use the effect only once when I flip it Face-Up?
Ex.1 Opponent activates Monster Reborn, I chain with Royal Oppression(Flip it Face-Up) and Pay 800 lp. Then Opponent chains to the activation of Royal Oppression with Call of The Haunted, now can I pay 800 lp again to negate COTH?

Ex.2 Royal Oppression again! Opponent activates Monster Reborn...I don't respond to it, then opponent chains to his MR with Call of The Haunted and then I flip Royal Oppression. Now, is Paying 1600 lp to negate both the opponents cards considered as a legal move?

Ex.3 Lets Take Skull Lair as our reference card this time...Can I flip Skull Lair and declare to use its effect to destroy two monsters on the field at the same time, before opponent chains to it with his card? Lets say, I flip Skull Lair, now first I remove 4 monsters from play and target 1 monster on the field. Now Can I again remove 4 Monsters on the field to target a different or same monster before priority is passed to the opponent?

ThanQ in advance for answering my Questions :)

~ Lord Sesshoumaru
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I THINK this is how they would go... not 100% sure so correct me if Im wrong guys.

ex1. I believe you can do this one.

ex2. would not work that way. even tho its all in the same chain, you would have to directly chain R.O. to the effects it is negating. so in this example you would pay 800 to negate and destroy COTH, then MR would resolve and their monster would be summoned.

ex3. This doesn't work either. if you are just using skull lairs effect you are already using your priorety.
 
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The thing to remember is we're dealing with two different type of traps here.

Royal Oppression / Skill Lair are continuous traps that have ignition type effects attached to them.

Appropriate / Forced Requisition are continuous traps that have trigger type effects, since they trigger when your opponent draws or you discard.

The mechanics for trigger type traps are still the same. You can only do the initial activation of them when the last thing to occur is the draw or discard.

The mechanics for the ignition type traps has changed so that you can now activate the ignition effect when you initially activate the trap.

Hope this helps!!!
 
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I'd like to correct Dillie-Os post above.

"Appropriate" and "Forced Requisition" do not have Trigger-like effects. They are Continuous Traps with Continuous effects. Neither of their effects use the chain.
 
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Thanks for the correction Simon. What would be a good example of a continuous trap that has a trigger like effect? I know there was a question about the new mechanics affecting cards allowing for the instant discard/draw in the UDE forums and I thought the answer to it went something along these lines.
 
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Dillie-O said:
What would be a good example of a continuous trap that has a trigger like effect?
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"Fairy Box", "Robbin' Goblin", "Ordeal of a Traveler".
Dillie-O said:
I know there was a question about the new mechanics affecting cards allowing for the instant discard/draw in the UDE forums and I thought the answer to it went something along these lines.
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I corrected the person in that thread as well....;)

There are three types of Continuous Spells/Traps.

1. Truly Continuous where their effect is active from the moment the card resolves into play. This effect does not use the chain when it is applied.
2. Ignition-like where you get to choose when to activate it and its effect uses the chain.
3. Trigger-like where the effect activates with the correct conditions and that effect uses the chain.
 
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Lord Sesshoumaru is quoted to have said:
hmmm.....I have a few Questions!

Can I use the effect only once when I flip it Face-Up?
Ex.1 Opponent activates Monster Reborn, I chain with Royal Oppression(Flip it Face-Up) and Pay 800 lp. Then Opponent chains to the activation of Royal Oppression with Call of The Haunted, now can I pay 800 lp again to negate COTH? [/quote]


harvey locust said:
I THINK this is how they would go... not 100% sure so correct me if Im wrong guys.

ex1. I believe you can do this one.
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Just a quick correction I just noticed....When you activate Royal Oppression, at that time, you may also activate it's effect. One time. After that, it must resolve on the field before you can begin chaining its effect. Therefore, ex1. would not be correct. TP plays Monster reborn, you respond by activating (flipping Face up) your Royal Oppression and announce that you will be activating its effect by paying 800 LP. The TP chains Call of the Haunted, you cannot (at this point) chain your now Face-up Royal Oppression by paying an additional 800LP.

Moreover, if you activate (Flip face-up) your Royal Oppression and choose to not, at that time, pay the 800 LP to negate a summon, if they choose to chain something else that summons, you cannot then activate its effect to negate it until the Royal Oppression resolves on the field.

Example: Your opponent Activates Xing Zhen Hu, targeting two of your F/D Trap cards, one of which is Royal Oppresion, so you chain it. Your opponent knows it is now or never, so he chains his Call of the Haunted. Since your Roayl Oppression has not resolved on the Field, you cannot chain the effect of Royal Oppression, and pay 800LP to stop Call. At least, that is how it is being ruled to date. Make sense?
 
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