serial spell and soul exchange

[hyatt_man]

I am wondering how serial spell and soul exchange would work? would you get another summoning or use it as a two tribute to get out a 7 or hight monster out how would it work.

 

[skey23]

Well, unfortunately, they don't work too well together...lol.

What's the cost for using "Serial Spell"? That's right, you have to send your entire hand to the Graveyard.

So, what Level 7 monster would you be Tribute Summoning since all of the cards you had in your hand are now in the Graveyard...lol.

 

[hyatt_man]

duh

good point i forgot about that lol

 

[anthonyj]

Well, unfortunately, they don't work too well together...lol.

What's the cost for using "Serial Spell"? That's right, you have to send your entire hand to the Graveyard.

So, what Level 7 monster would you be Tribute Summoning since all of the cards you had in your hand are now in the Graveyard...lol.

Perhaps he was planning to Compulsory his Blue Eyes back to his hand so that he could get rid of his opponent's monsters.

 

[masterwoo0]

Perhaps he was planning to Compulsory his Blue Eyes back to his hand so that he could get rid of his opponent's monsters.

Hmmm, now THAT is interesting... I think we have gotten so caught up in the fact that the cost empties our hands that we never consider a way to replenish it after Serial Spell resolves....

And for that matter, maybe even BEFORE Serial Spell resolves for some effects that still require a card in hand.

 

[Chillout1984]

Perhaps he was planning to Compulsory his Blue Eyes back to his hand so that he could get rid of his opponent's monsters.

Or he wants to tribute them for a Cannon Soldier or Catapult Turtle he has on the field

 

[anthonyj]

Or he wants to tribute them for a Cannon Soldier or Catapult Turtle he has on the field

Another excellent idea.

 

[Digital Jedi]

So in that case, he would have to select a different monster for effect of Soul Exchange then he would for Serial Spell's replicated effect.

 

[Digital Jedi]

Add to that, we never did get a clear explanation as to whether Soul Exchange's lingering state triggers at the first opportunity of a tribute. That said, we do already know that 2 Soul Exchanges played on the same turn will allow you to tribute them for two different instances of a tribute.

 

[slither]

It does not trigger at the first opportunity, how could you "control" that? What if you had a 5+ star monster on your hand.

 

[Digital Jedi]

Heh. I don't think you were here for the discussion I started on that one. Basically, we never got verification on whether Soul Exchange's effect triggers on the first instance of you offering a monster as tribute, or if you had the option to pick and choose what to use the free tribute for.

It would make a difference if, say, you had something like Exiled Force on the field. Obviously, you CANNOT use Soul Exchange for the tribute of Exiled Force. But what happens when you go to tribute Exiled? Does the lingering state set up by Soul Exchange ignore the fact you just tried to tribute something? Does it actually try to tribute your opponent's monster even though you wont get any effect? Or does your use of Soul Exchange get burned for the turn?

I dont remember if we ever aGreed on one answer, but I do remember that a email from Curtis, I think it was, said that it worked like Last Will. For some reason, no one aGreed with that.

 

[Dillie-O]

You know though, taking Soul Exchange and Serial Spell into mind... If I can figure out a way to get Raviel back to my hand and have DNA Surgery out, that might be a pretty cheap way to unleash the fiend....Just use a fiend I have or a Statue of the Wicked.

...alas my brain has collapsed once again, need to go home now 8^D

 

[Maruno]

I think you can use the lingering effect of Soul Exchange whenever you want. So you could activate it, then Tribute Summon a Catapult Turtle, then use its effect to Tribute an opponent's monster for damage. Soul Exchange doesn't specify that the very next Tribute must be substituted by the opponent's monster, even after an errata. The effect is optional, which in my mind automatically means you can use it whenever you want. In my mind Last Will would work the same way (meaning if you suicide 2 monsters during your turn, you can use Last Will's effect on the second one to bring out another monster).

 

[Digital Jedi]

Last Will triggers with the first occurance of a monster being sent to the Graveyard, though. Take a look at its various rulings.

 

[ancient_duelist]

In my mind Last Will would work the same way (meaning if you suicide 2 monsters during your turn, you can use Last Will's effect on the second one to bring out another monster).

DISCLAIMER: I KNOW NOT TO USE GAMES FOR RULINGS

In Yu-Gi-Oh! Online Last Will can be activated before or after a monster is sent to the Graveyard and the effect of Last Will can be used at any time after a monster is sent to the Graveyard. It does not automatically trigger as soon as a monster is sent. I expect that with the change of the text in Japan, this is how the card will come to be ruled in real life play as well.

 

[Digital Jedi]

That would be interesting. As it stands, though, it appears the current rulings indicate a mandatory trigger-type lingering effect.

You don't select a monster as a target when you activate or resolve "Last Will". "Last Will" creates a state whereby, the next time during that turn when your monster is sent from your side of the field to your Graveyard, you may Special Summon 1 monster from your Deck using "Last Will's" state. "Last Will's" state then ends.

These states accumulate, so if you activate 2 "Last Wills", then the next time during that turn when your monster is sent from your side of the field to your Graveyard, you may Special Summon 2 monsters from your Deck, and the "Last Wills'" states then end.

Last Will's state will trigger by Tributing for a Tribute Summon, or for "Cannon Soldier's" effect, etc.

If "Last Will's" state is triggered during the Battle Phase by your monster being sent to your Graveyard, you resolve "Last Will's" effect at that time (just like "Giant Rat") and the newly Summoned monster can attack before Main Phase 2.​

If the rumors are true, however, that would be a dramatic change. One has to wonder what the point of changing it is.

 

[Maruno]

But indeed, as you didn't point out, those rulings say "you may Special Summon". The rulings literally state that, if you haven't already used the effect of Last Will, then you may activate the effect of Last Will after any occurance of a monster going to your Graveyard during the rest of your turn. It doesn't state that it must be the very next time that happens.

I can't think up a situation where Summoning after the first occurance would be detrimental to your efforts, though.

I sent the question to the Judges List.

 

[masterwoo0]

But indeed, as you didn't point out, those rulings say "you may Special Summon". The rulings literally state that, if you haven't already used the effect of Last Will, then you may activate the effect of Last Will after any occurance of a monster going to your Graveyard during the rest of your turn. It doesn't state that it must be the very next time that happens.

I can't think up a situation where Summoning after the first occurance would be detrimental to your efforts, though.

I sent the question to the Judges List.

Maybe you're forgetting that "Last Will" is an OPTIONAL effect. It has timing. You can't just trigger the effect and say, "I'll wait for the next time I send a monster..." You will have missed the timing, especially if you have activated 2 Last Will's.

You make the choice at the moment the effect triggers, or you don't summon at all.


Ruling
You don't select a monster as a target when you activate or resolve "Last Will". "Last Will" creates a state whereby, the next time during that turn when your monster is sent from your side of the field to your Graveyard, you may Special Summon 1 monster from your Deck using "Last Will's" state. "Last Will's" state then ends.


These states accumulate, so if you activate 2 "Last Wills", then the next time during that turn when your monster is sent from your side of the field to your Graveyard, you may Special Summon 2 monsters from your Deck, and the "Last Wills'" states then end.

 

[slither]

Heh. I don't think you were here for the discussion I started on that one. Basically, we never got verification on whether Soul Exchange's effect triggers on the first instance of you offering a monster as tribute, or if you had the option to pick and choose what to use the free tribute for.

Nope, I don't believe I was involved in that discussion , but the most simple example of how to interpret Soul Exchange is Ectoplasmer, <IMO anyways> I have a Lv5 monster in my hand and Ectoplasmer on the field, use Soul Exchange, it would be determined that the "first" opportunity would be tribute that monster for the Lv5 monster on my hand. Which it has <that I can recall> never been the case. And could still choose to wait until the End Phase.