Serial Spell with Metamorphasis & Monster Gate

[MadHatter]

I posted this to the judge list, but while I await an official answer, thought I'd throw it out here. I'm pretty sure this works, but would like some other thoughts.

Since Serial Spell does not have to pay the costs, these should all be true:

I play Metamorphasis, tributing my 6 star Jinzo. I chain Serial Spell to Metamorphasis and discard my hand. Since the cost (the tribute) does not need to be paid twice, I do not need to tribute another monster for Serial Spell? Now, I get two 6 star fusions out? Also, does the Serial Spell copy have to special summon the same 6 star fusion monster or can it special summon a different one -- Serial Spell summoning Ojama King and Metamophasis summoning Ryu Senshi?

Same scenario, but with Monster Gate. The Serial Spell copy would not need to tribute? If true, just to confirm the obvious, if the Serial Spell summons Dark Magician of Chaos, the controller would not get a spell card from the graveyard as the timing is incorrect (the Monster Gate still has to resolve.)

Thanks!
MadHatter

 

[Nak44]

escenario 1:wrong you did have to tribute another one because it becomes the same effect.
lets look at the text of serial spell
You can only activate this card when you activate one of your Normal Spell Cards. Discard all the cards in your hand to the Graveyard. The effect of this card becomes the same as the Normal Spell Card.
that text would become the same as metamorphosis
Offer 1 monster on your side of the field as a Tribute to Special Summon 1 Fusion Monster of the same Level in face-up Attack or Defense Position from your Fusion Deck. Monsters used for a Tribute Summon or that are offered as Tributes due to other card's effects are excluded.
which will mean you will have to offer another monster if you want to summon another 6 star fusion.
escenario 2:the same the serial spell would need tribute.
the text would become
Offer 1 monster on your side of the field as a Tribute. Pick up cards from your Deck until you pick up a monster that can be Normal Summoned, and Special Summon it. Send any other cards picked up to the Graveyard.
which means you will have to tribute again

 

[Fiendish Envoy]

escenario 1:wrong you did have to tribute another one because it becomes the same effect.
lets look at the text of serial spell
You can only activate this card when you activate one of your Normal Spell Cards. Discard all the cards in your hand to the Graveyard. The effect of this card becomes the same as the Normal Spell Card.
that text would become the same as metamorphosis
Offer 1 monster on your side of the field as a Tribute to Special Summon 1 Fusion Monster of the same Level in face-up Attack or Defense Position from your Fusion Deck. Monsters used for a Tribute Summon or that are offered as Tributes due to other card's effects are excluded.
which will mean you will have to offer another monster if you want to summon another 6 star fusion.
escenario 2:the same the serial spell would need tribute.
the text would become
Offer 1 monster on your side of the field as a Tribute. Pick up cards from your Deck until you pick up a monster that can be Normal Summoned, and Special Summon it. Send any other cards picked up to the Graveyard.
which means you will have to tribute again

I'm sorry, that is actually incorrect because the effect of "Serial Spell" becomes the same as the effect of the normal spell (current ruling), and costs are not part of the effect.

Post the answer when you get it, because I'm not 100% sure, but if this happened at an event, I would rule that you only get one monster since you were unable to have a cost with "Serial Spell".

 

[Nak44]

so the cost its not part of the effect?that would make it unable to activate because you dont know the stars of the monsters since you dint tribute any.

 

[Fiendish Envoy]

so the cost its not part of the effect?that would make it unable to activate because you dont know the stars of the monsters since you dint tribute any.

Exactly what I'm thinking.

 

[densetsu_x]

Since "Metamorphosis" needs the monster to be tributed in order to bring out a Fusion with the same number of stars, "Serial Spell" will not help with this since tributing the monster is the cost to activate "Metamorphosis". Since you are not tributing a second monster, "Serial Spell" will not special summon a second fusion monster.

For "Monster Gate" however, offering the monster is the cost to activate the card but the resolution is not dependant on having that monster offered (think as if it said "pay 1000 life points" instead). So you can chain "Serial Spell" to "Monster Gate" and bring out 2 monsters (potentially).

- A

 

[MadHatter]

Since "Metamorphosis" needs the monster to be tributed in order to bring out a Fusion with the same number of stars, "Serial Spell" will not help with this since tributing the monster is the cost to activate "Metamorphosis".  Since you are not tributing a second monster, "Serial Spell" will not special summon a second fusion monster.

Ruling on Metamorphosis: "Tributing a monster is a cost."  So my thoughts were the effect of Metamorphosis would be to special summon a 6 star fusion.  So Serial Spell's effect would be to special summon a 6 star fusion, or so I would think.  That actually makes sense regarding the structure of the rulings, but it seems a bit overpowered, which is why I raised the question.

MadHatter

 

[densetsu_x]

The monster you tribute for the cost to activate "Metamorphosis" determines the kind of Fusion monster you can bring out. Since "Serial Spell" has no such "tribute", that effect will fizzle.

- A

 

[OKShadow]

True, Serial Spell would fizzle on the first as Metamorphosis matches what was tributed for cost. And there are no Level 0 monsters (yet) LOL.

Monster Gate on the other hand I agree would be feasible as it does not say "Tribute one monster on your side of the field TO [draw cards until you pull a monster that can be normal summoned]."