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The point swings are also dependent on the ratings of the people you played against...you get fewer points for beating the tar out of someone with a low rating. The event level and judge level just denots the maximum amount that a rating can shift with a win or a loss...


...not that Yugioh ratings points have ever been worth anything.
 
That's why I don't understand it though. The people who played in the Regional were basically the same people who played in the SJC. Even a few of the guys who lost in the top 8 of the SJC played in the regional. It doesn't make since that with any win at the SJC that we didn't at least get 10 pts or lose at least 15 pts with a loss. Go look at the points on just about anyone who went to another SJC; they usually gain like 15-25 pts or lose like 20-30 pts. I know that you lose more points when you lose to someone who is lower ranked than you and everything; it's just that SJCs with a lv 3 as head judge should at least get you like 20 pts per win and 25 per loss. Something has to be messed up.

Inuyahs_Riki: Come to the STL area and then you can definitely get them signed or just come to SJC Seattle; I should be attending that.
 
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The method Dale taught Eddie and Eddie taught me is the 5 pile shuffle, then last pile into 4 piles, then last pile into 3 piles, then combine and shuffle for a while. It works wonders. I'm glad originality is good here.




I'm interested in this. So say you have 40 card deck. You pile shuffle into 5. Meaning I have 8 cards in each pile. And then I pick up the last 8 and pile shuffle into 4 and thus have 2 card each.... then another 3 pile shuffle?
I do the 5-pile shuffle, but I too am confused about the 5 into 4 and then into 3. What am I missing?
 
Here is how the shuffle works (easier to explain in person of course). You pile shuffle into 5 stacks, then take the 5th and LAST stack and pile it one card at a time on top of the remaining 4 stacks, then take the 4th and LAST stack now and pile it one card at a time on top of the remaining 3 stacks. Then you put the last 3 stacks together in any order you want and shuffle for a while after that normally. I usually stack all 3 of the last 3 piles on top of each other differently after each duel/game so that I don't get the same shuffle everytime and that my cards don't tend to clump together. It is a great shuffling method and has worked wonders for me. Before I post it; where would I put my tourney report so that you all can read it on here if you haven't read it on another forum yet?
 
HERE IS MY SJC AUSTIN REPORT "Why Gearfried should have AT LEAST top 4'd SJC Austin '06"

First off, this is going to be a very long report. If you don't have a lot of time to read this, then come back later. I am going to be stating my whole experience from the week.

Monday, I think about how the creator of Team Icon (my friend Eddie) was running a Gearfried+Blast with Chain deck with Dark World monsters and how it was doing. It needed another edge. So I duel this one guy online and he reminds me of Smoke Grenade. Then it hit me, Smoke Grenade is a FREE CONFI (that is Smoke Grenade's nickname for me now). Gearfried is an 1800 beatstick that can run over Monarchs, Cyber Dragons, and Lily in def mode. It also doesn't die to Hydrogeddon because of its 1600 def. So I run a variation of the deck that I top 8 with at my local. Instead of Lily I was running a tech Goldd and instead of 2 Mobius I was running 2 Blowback. The deck went 4-1 and made top 4 at the local, beating 2 pretty good players in the process and losing the rematch of round 1. So I decided to run Mobius over Blowback and make the side deck a bit of a Machine side deck. I also was going to main Stein until Kevin Salyer talked me into maining Lily instead.

So, Friday morning comes and I head over to Kevin's house. We are taking Jake's Aveo LS down to Austin for the 16 hour drive. It's a stick shift, so I get to be chauffeured all the way to Austin because I only know how to drive automatics. The drive down was very long. We get into Austin at 3:30. We almost get lost trying to find the Red Roof Inn North. We finally get to it and it has no vacancies (we were an hour too late). So we go across to the street to Super 8 Motel North and it costs about $5-10 more a night to stay there. I go to bed around 4 AM and we ask for a wake up call at 8 AM. Kevin and Jake decided to run Tom Warren's (from Team Betrayal) deck card for card. I decided to run my Gearfried deck. Mobius, Gearfried and Lily were my MVP's of the Jump. I just want to let everyone know, I should have made at least top 4. I made 2 misplays in game 3 of the top 8 against Mike Gonzales; he didn't lucksack me. I lost that match. However, I am not talking about game 2 at all. I will explain it all in detail later. So we get up at 8 AM and go to a gas station. I get a thing of Chocolate doughnuts and eat them on the way to the Jump. I just sit around talking with Kevin and Jake until they announce the seating for Player Meeting. Then the announce the pairings.

Round 1: Matt Stille (me) vs. Aaron Trimble Table 64

He was running a Macro Cosmos deck with Helios, Monarchs, and at least one Kaiser Glider. He tended to get really bad hands. He was running no Fusion deck so I wasn't worried about Stein at all. I don't remember very much of this match except that I 2-0 him in like 10 minutes or so.

Record: 1-0 Matches (2-0 Duels)

Round 2: Me vs. Joseph Hutchinson (11 yr. old kid who top 8s) Table 14

He asks me if I am sure I am at this table. I said of course. I expect to go at least X-2 or better. Game 1 I go first and set Torrential; got a decently bad hand. His turn he storms, bring's out Stein, and attack with Twin and Stein to knock me down to 1700 LP. I draw a Blast with Chain, have no Cyber Dragons in hand, have RotA, and I have like 4 monsters (I misplayed here, should've summoned Gearfried and attacked Stein; even though he had a back row, then set Blast if attack was successful; then I had a better chance to win; but I also didn't want him to see Gearfried yet so I took the chance of popping Twin with Exiled and hope he couldn't do 1700 damage; so it was a lose lose situation for me most likely). So he wins game 1 quick. Game 2 I eventually pull off after a big of back and forth attacks. Game 3 I made one mistake that probably cost me the match. I forgot to attack a Nimble with Lily and instead attacked it with Gearfried; because he had another face down that was Don Zaloog. Later he ends up gettting Premature back to get Stein back to hit me for game when we were both basically topdecking.

Record: 1-1 (3-2)

Round 3: Me vs. Juan Serna Daniel Table 54

I'm sorry Juan, but I don't remember very much of this match. I believe he was running Zombies and I think we went to game 3. I know I won game 1. That's all I can remember of this round.

Record: 2-1 (4-3)

Round 4: Me vs. Sam Tackett Table 52

This guy was a pretty good little kid with a pretty good deck. I win game 1 pretty quickly. Game 2 he wins pretty quickly. Game 3 I win not as quickly but I don't remember much of the match. Except that I know he was running warriors with Gravekeeper's Spy as well.

Record: 3-1 (6-4)

Round 5: Me vs. Marco Escamillo Table 49

I really didn't see much of Marco's deck. I pretty much owned him game 1 and game 2 with the Gearfried combos and Gearfried attacks. He had to call over a judge to make sure that the Smoke Grenade+Gearfried combo was ligit making him the first person to question it.

Record: 4-1 (8-4)

Round 6: Me vs. Tony Hunter Table 30 after repairings

Tony is at least a good player. He ended up Top 8'ing the Regional on Sunday. However, I get him good with Smoke Grenade and Blast with Chain both games. This match actually lasted around 20-25 minutes though. I win 2-0.

Record: 5-1 (10-4)

Round 7: Me vs. Giovanni Guida Table 15

I met Giovanni earlier and he had on a cool team shirt. It said "What would Yugi do?". I told him "Yugi would topdeck Pot of Greed, then Graceful, discarding Frog and Goldd". We both laugh. I pretty much own him game 1. Game 2 he tells me to go first. He Steins me his first turn and takes me down to 300 LP. I draw into nothing and he gets the win. Game 3 I finally decide to sidedeck; I side out Mask of Darkness and the Blast with Chains for 2 Waboku and Stein. Game 3 I start and activate RotA to get Gearfried and summon him to the field. I equip Smoke Grenade and see his horribly bad hand. He had 2 Trunade, Cylinder, Crossout, and one other magic card. I discard Cylinder. Gearfried gets him to 4400 by turn 5. He has 2 set cards and I active Storm. I flip summon DDWL and normal Breaker to attack for game. What a bad hand Giovanni had game 3.

Record: 6-1 (12-5)

Round 8: Me vs. James Naughton (SJC Arlington Champion) Table 9

I knew James was a well known player when I read his name int he pairings. I could only remember that he top 8'd a SJC but I couldn't remember how well he did. I sit down and we talk for a bit. He tells me he won Arlington and then the lightbulb goes off in my head. Game 1 I go first, play Graceful, discarding Frog and Night Assailant. I activate RotA getting Gearfried. I summon him and set Blast with Chain. His turn he sets 1 back row and 1 monster and at his End phase I activate Blast and target his monster. I draw into Smoke Grenade and forget what I get rid of. Then attack with Gearfried and set some monster and 1 M/T. Eventually I own him after a few other turns with my aggressiveness. Game 2 I don't remember much. However, I had no trouble at all beating him again. I 2-0 him pretty quickly. After he loses his gets up and says this verbatim to his friend "You would not believe what he drew his first hand against me."

Record: 7-1 (14-5)

Round 9: Me vs. Chris Stegall Table Feature Match

You can read how quickly my aggressiveness owned him 2-0 in this match. It lasted like 10 minutes. That's how my deck ran all day long.

So I find out that Kevin gets 19th place after losing to Jason Holloway. He was so close, and his round 2 loss should never have happened. However, I won't get into it because judges were involved and that's about all I can say online. However, I will say that the kid he played ended up getting DQ'd 2 rounds later (or so I thought he did until Simon told me he didn't). Sorry about that Simon, but Kevin tends to lie about situations that don't go his way a lot of the time.

So we go to eat at Wendy's and I call a few people. However, I forgot both of my phone chargers; so I don't talk as long as I wanted to. We go back to the hotel and I fall asleep around 1 AM. We get up at 7 AM and get to the Jump at about 8 AM. They finally open it up at like 9 AM. I get the top 8 decklists and just glance at them. I find out I'm the only one in top 8 not running Reaper. I also find out that 3 of the top 8 (myself, Jason, and Abel) weren't running Scapegoat.

Top 8 Round 10: Me vs. Mike Gonzales

It's a feature match, and discarding Mirror Force was a mistake in game 2; but I still should've won the match. I knew I could win game 3. I never side decked. I made 2 misplays in Game 3 though. I should have discared Heavy Storm with my Smoke Grenade instead of Brain Control. Then I could've set both Ring of Destruction and Mirror Force. However, I still could've won even though I made that misplay. All I had to do was Ring my Lily and not my Gearfried because I topdecked Premature Burial. Which means I would've won the duel the turn before he topdecks Mobius because I would have 2900 LP left instead of 500 LP left. I will be kicking myself for a while about my misplays; however, I just guess it wasn't meant to be. So I sell my Nintendo DS to Kevin for $80, open my packs and pull 7 rares and a Double Dude (worst pulls in a while). I also get the cool Shonen Jump hat.

Record: 8-2 (15-7)

About a half hour after losing in top 8, a parent comes over to me and talks to me about his son. He offers me $50 to tutor his son for half an hour. I go ahead and say yes. I come to find out that his son is Sam who I beat in round 4 of the Shonen. I end up finding out that he is running 3 Smashing Ground. I told him he should only run 2 of those at most; 3 never works for me. His deck was pretty solid but it had a few questionable cards. I told him he should just run what works for him and gave him my suggestions. Then we started dueling and he won the first game. However, he had to go play in the Regional because the pairing were up. I believe he ended up going X-2 at the Regional, but I'm not sure. I ended up playing like 20-30 matches during the Regional and only lost like 3. So the deck was running great for me.

So after Kevin goes 8-0 and top 8's the Regional and gives the kid a win so the kid he played could get his Nationals Invite; we go to leave. We get to Jake's car and it has a flat tire due to a nail. So we are stuck in Austin for another night because all the tire places were closed. I have to call work and let them know I can't work Monday and I'll be in Tuesday morning. The drive back lasts only like 13 hours because of less construction and most of the driving being at night. I played Jake's Pokemon Emerald on Kevin's Nintendo DS for like 3 or 4 hours on the way back (maybe more).

Props:

-My Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, our father the Lord, and the Holy Spirit. They were with Jake, Kevin, all the YGO players, and myself the whole weekend. I prayed for safe travels, look what happened. I prayed for noone to get their stuff stolen, look what happened. I prayed for Jake, Kevin, and I to play our best and not make mistakes; look what happened for the most part. If you don't believe in God; that's fine, let's just agree to disagree on religion. I have my belief and you have yours. Please don't make any comments on it that will lead to an arguement or debate about religion. This is just a tourney report; I'm just trying to exalt God the only way I know. He deserves the most credit for letting me be able to be so good at this game and think of this deck concept 2 days before the SJC.
-The variety of decks at the SJC.
-Getting top 8.
-Kevin winning a heck of a lot at the SJC and Regional.
-Jake for letting us use his car.
-The car being a stick shift so I didn't have to drive.
-I only heard of one theft during the whole SJC.
-The whole trip only cost me like $25 in the end.
-Only losing 3 duels (not matches) to Stein. Only losing 1 match to Stein.
-Only making 5 misplays in only 2 matches of 10 matches during the SJC.
-The judges kept the spectating down to a minimum all day.
-$50.00 for tutoring a cool kid.
-Mask of Darkness for letting me reuse Ring at least 40% of my duels. I'm glad I decided to keep Mask in the maindeck; almost thought about not running it.
-NTB fixing the tire at no charge.
-Dale Bellido for teaching my team founder Eddie Turks how to shuffle like a madman. Thanks a lot Dale; it has made all my decks run so much more smoothly. I think it showed at this Jump or maybe it was just the Meta.
-To the Mexicans who I talked to a heck of a lot on Saturday night and Sunday explaining the deck to them. One of them went x-2 and got like 14th place. On Sunday he sits down and plays me and beats me 2 matches in a row; mostly because Blowback got its effect off like 90% of the time. However, I didn't use Dale Bellido's shuffling method on Sunday (except in top 8) and I still won like 27 of 30 matches. Those Mexicans were cool and spoke English really well; I just wish I didn't forget so much Spanish for taking it 3 years in High School. That reminds me, High School was 5 years ago for me; I feel old.
-The deck is now nicknamed "Smokies and the Bandits". Gearfrieds=Smokies and Bandits=Smoke Grenades. LOL :) I hope you all like the name.

Slops:

-Some of the judges didn't know some of the easier rulings that almost any player and definitely any judge should know; but it was pretty well judged other than that. I would say there were about 2 really good judges.
-Me not making at least top 4 and at least winning a PSP and iPod Nano.
-The meta seemed a lot easier than the St. Louis area Meta.
-Making 3 of my 5 misplays in the top 8.
-The flat tire.
-Losing 2 rounds because of my misplays. I didn't lose when I didn't misplay.

Questions or comments. Please let me know.
 
mws16 said:
Here is how the shuffle works (easier to explain in person of course). You pile shuffle into 5 stacks, then take the 5th and LAST stack and pile it one card at a time on top of the remaining 4 stacks, then take the 4th and LAST stack now and pile it one card at a time on top of the remaining 3 stacks. Then you put the last 3 stacks together in any order you want and shuffle for a while after that normally. I usually stack all 3 of the last 3 piles on top of each other differently after each duel/game so that I don't get the same shuffle everytime and that my cards don't tend to clump together. It is a great shuffling method and has worked wonders for me. Before I post it; where would I put my tourney report so that you all can read it on here if you haven't read it on another forum yet?
Ahhh. That makes more sense. Thanks.
 
Why some Tournie points are messed up.

mws16 said:
Hey Simon. I've got a question for you. Why is it that Kevin "Skillz" Salyer got a lot more points for the Regional on Sunday than he did for the SJC on Saturday? Why is it that my points only went up like 3-8 pts. when I won on Saturday for the Jump? Shouldn't my ranking have gone up a bit more than that because of the ranking of the tourney and your ranking as a judge? Do you have any idea why our points (Kevin's and mine) hardly went up at all for wins in the SJC? Please let me know. Also, was one of the players who got DQ'd the guy who played Kevin in round 2 which made the lunch break get extended?

Here is what happened. See: http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/op/search/tournament_detail.aspx?tid=97194&to_id=

From there TODAY!!!!

Tournament Name:YGO Shonen Jump Champs - 7 Oct 2006 - Austin, TX
Premiere Level:Shonen Jump Championship
Game and Format:Yu-Gi-Oh! Constructed Deck All Players

Challenge Value:10

Date Held:10/7/2006
Organizer Name:Sheila Weissman
Head Judge Name:Simon Key
(emphysis added)

See the Challenge value? When these are placed in system, they get a TO ID#. Either the TO (or scorekeeper) did not DL the sanctioned event into the computer used OR MAntis just messes it up. Hmmmm :-:

Happens to regionals I go to. THey just make ANOTHER event, which makes it a regular tournie at CV 10. THEN they notify UDE and eventualy they will update the CV an THEN everything will be ALRIGHT!! :nod_yes

Go to the page later and the CV will be updated to 50 and the points won/lost will update in your history when UDE does it's weekly update!!!!! :bouncy


Just FYI!

Check out the Regional I went to yesterday:

Original tournie : http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/op/search/tournament_detail.aspx?tid=121047&to_id=

Just uploaded: http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/op/search/tournament_detail.aspx?tid=162407&to_id=

See the TID has changed. The CV is 30 on original tid HOWEVER, shows unreported. THey just made a new Tournie and it gets a new TID and a CV of 10. They will contact UDE and have the CV updated to 30.
 
mws16 said:
-Mask of Darkness for letting me reuse Ring at least 40% of my duels. I'm glad I decided to keep Mask in the maindeck; almost thought about not running it.
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And people make fun of me when I run this!!!! ;)
 
WOW, that is a pretty huge mistake, at the moment. How long will it take for it to be corrected? Maybe by Wednesday? I mean, I don't care much about my rating; but if I'm top 50 in Illinois again, then people will know I'm good. Especially since I judge half of the time rather than play.
 
mws16 said:
WOW, that is a pretty huge mistake, at the moment. How long will it take for it to be corrected? Maybe by Wednesday? I mean, I don't care much about my rating; but if I'm top 50 in Illinois again, then people will know I'm good. Especially since I judge half of the time rather than play.

This is UDE we're talking about! :-:

They had a 10K VS tournie along with the regional I was at! 5 people played in the VS tournie! 5

There were 248 people in the Yu Gi Oh regional!!!!!!! Only top 16 got crap! Nice they support the game MAKING money! :huh


Go figure. You will just have to wait intil they change the CV value; THEN, the Wednesday AFTER that it may update your points.
 
well if i'm right in my thinking that marvel vs dc was made by ude and yu-gi-oh was made by konami then i can understand why they put so much into vs prize pay outs, but then again maybe ude just doesn't like yu-gi oh or it could be that konami has the last say in the prize pay out for yu-gi-oh, but who knows not me thats for sure
 
Koanmi is direcly responsible for the tournament format of Yu-Gi-Oh!. And as long as Konami continuous to percieve this as a "kids game", they'll never offer more then what they currently offer.
 
I would also guess that VS had some different sponsership. Were any of the comics publishers involved? That could jack up the prize money in a hurry.


Only 5 VS players? I don't know the rules, but I would have grabbed a couple packs of anything and gave it a shot. What's the worst that happens? I come in 6th?
 
MightyDingo said:
I would also guess that VS had some different sponsership. Were any of the comics publishers involved? That could jack up the prize money in a hurry.


Only 5 VS players? I don't know the rules, but I would have grabbed a couple packs of anything and gave it a shot. What's the worst that happens? I come in 6th?

No other sponsers were there.

We thought the same thing. I barely know how to play and he knows a lot more. He would rather have done that! He went 0 - 4 before winning last 4 in Yu Gi Oh!
 
No way was it a 10K with 5 people, more likely a PCQ, which can have low turnouts if the TO doesn't promote it well.
 
babyarm said:
No way was it a 10K with 5 people, more likely a PCQ, which can have low turnouts if the TO doesn't promote it well.

It was BOTH according to my friend. However, here is link and it states a 10K and PCQ and Yu Gi Oh.

http://www.professional-events.com/index-UDE.htm

EDIT: I looked and the 10K had 138. The finals were Sunday when we were there. There was a PCQ (15 people) AND Scholarship (6 people) VS tournie. STILL, wish they did this for Yu Gi Oh!
 
Yeah, those numbers make more sense. The 10K in Austin back in May had 76 in the 10K, then I think 15-20 in a Sealed PCQ, 18 in Constructed, and then 10-12 in a Scholarship tourney on Sunday.

Since UDE determines the prize structure for 10K's, cash is guaranteed to the Top 24, and Top 64 get an EA, Shirt, and deck tin. The YGO Prize structure is generally only guaranteed through Top 8, and then TO's are encouraged to give booster pack support for 9th through whatever, based on attendance and the TO's discretion.
 
So, who knows who to talk to about getting the Ratings for Austin updated to be the correct base number for points? SJC Seattle really hurt my ranking, lol. Getting the correct points from Austin would help out a lot. Although, I really don't care what my ranking is all that much; I just want the correct points.
 
mws16 said:
So, who knows who to talk to about getting the Ratings for Austin updated to be the correct base number for points? SJC Seattle really hurt my ranking, lol. Getting the correct points from Austin would help out a lot. Although, I really don't care what my ranking is all that much; I just want the correct points.

E-mail player@upperdeck.com with your info and a link to the page it was reported; AND, contact the priemer TO that ran the even to get them to also contact UDE to get it fixed.\

Good luck!
 
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