Skill Drain and Zombrya the Dark

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if Skill Drain is played while Zombrya the Dark's ATK is at 1700 (as a result of destroying 2 monsters), does Zombrya's ATK go back to 2100, or does it stay at 1700 until Skill Drain is removed regardless of how many monsters Zombrya destroys?
 
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Greetings,

Unfortunetly, Zombrya stays at 1700 ATK, but will not decrease in ATK, because of Skill Drain is on the field. One of the ways that Zombry can get back its 2100 ATK is if for instance, you Book of Moon, and he survives a attack for one turn.

Now, if you bring up another Zombrya while Skill Drain is on the field, then you have a 21 ATK monster. Hope this helps....Greg
 
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It immediately goes to 2100. If/when Skill Drain is removed, Zombyra will begin its 'countdown' again starting at the 2100. Similar things will happen with Berserk Dragon and Exodia Necross.

Part of the reason for this is because the ATK difference is being inflicted as part of the effect of Zombyra. While it is face-up, this continuous effect of Zombyra is active, but Skill Drain negates it making it as if the effect never happened in the first place.
 
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Thanks for the reply...as a followup, what about cards that have had spell counters placed on them as a result of their effect (ie. skilled dark magician). Are the spell counters removed when Skill Drain is played? I guess what i'm really asking is if all continuous monster effects are "reset" when skill drain is played?
 
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Cards with Spell Counters will lose their Spell Counters.
Cards that equip Monsters will lose their equips (TER, Relinquished, Sword Hunter)
In general, continuous effects that count something will be reset. Keep in mind this only applies to those cards on the field, not in the hand (so don't try to throw Great Moth at me. ;))
 
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I have a follow up question for skill drain. Lets say a non-effect monster such as Gemini Elf attacks and destroys a f/d Slate Warrior. Gemini Elf's ATK and DEF will now be 1400/400. Now my question is if Skill Drain is activated on the next turn, will Gemini Elf be affected by it. I would say no because it was SW's effect that cause her low ATK/DEF, and SW is now in the GY.

My second question is the same situation above except for an effect monster such as Berserk Gorilla. I would still say that BG's ATK/DEF will still be 500 less.

My third question is what if SW was Monster Reborned, then on the next turn Skill Drain was activated. I know SW will not cause the monster that destroys it to lower their ATK/DEF strength; However, will the other monster, that destroyed him in the previous turn, regains his ATK/DEF since SW is now back in the field and is affected by Skill Drain? On this one, I think the other monster will still have a lower ATK/DEF strength even though SW in back in the field and is affected by SD.

Please clarify this. I'm confident on my answer, but only 98% sure.
 
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Both the effects of slate warrior will work under skill drain. Because the first being a flip effect and the second being a graveyard effect. to answer your gemini elf question...Gemini elf will regain the 500 ATK/DEF back. for number 2 I will say that berserk gorilla will gain back the 500 ATK/DEF and also will not have to attack or will not die because of switching to DEF becuase of skill drain. For question 3, The monster will regain there ATK/DEF loss from the slate warrior kill but if you kill slate warrior again with skill drain out you will lose 500 ATK/DEF becuase slate warriors 2nd effect is a graveyard effect and will activate. I hope this clears up some stuff.
 
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the.wise.duelist said:
Both the effects of slate warrior will work under skill drain.  Because the first being a flip effect and the second being a graveyard effect.

to answer your gemini elf question...Gemini elf will regain the 500 ATK/DEF back. for number 2 I will say that berserk gorilla will gain back the 500 ATK/DEF and also will not have to attack or will not die because of switching to DEF becuase of skill drain.

For question 3, The monster will regain there ATK/DEF loss from the slate warrior kill but if you kill slate warrior again with skill drain out you will lose 500 ATK/DEF becuase slate warriors 2nd effect is a graveyard effect and will activate.  I hope this clears up some stuff.
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Skill Drain does not negate atk/def modifiers, it only negates monster effects of monsters currently on the field. If your Gemini Elf attacks a Slate, Slate will die and will give it's 500 reduction to Gemini and it will stay. Gemini Elf is not the origin of the effect, and since Slate was in the graveyard when it resolved it will not be negated.
 
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the.wise.duelist said:
Both the effects of slate warrior will work under skill drain. Because the first being a flip effect and the second being a graveyard effect.
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I'm sorry but the first effect of Slate will not work when Skill Drain is out because SD also negates Flip effects.

On question 1: If SW's effect is activated in the GY, then Skill Drain will not affect SW because he is in the GY and not face up on the field. So, Skill Drain only affects effect monsters that are face up on the field; hence, Gemini Elf will still have a less ATK/DEF strength.
 
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And guys/gals, my third question has not been fully answered yet. Let me ask it again, but this time with example.

Situation:
Player B has a f/d Slate Warrior
Player A is the turn player.

Main Phase 1: Player A summons Gemini Elf
Battle Phase: Gemini Elf attacks and destroys SW (Elf's attack is now 1400)
Main Phase 2: Player A sets Skill Drain

(Player B is now the turn player)

Main Phase 1: Chain Link 1: Player B activates Monster Reborn and targets the Slate Warrior that died the previous turn.
Main Phase 1: Chain Link 2: Player A chains with Skill Drain.
Neither player chains anymore.


Now my question is: Since Slate Warrior was the one that is responsible for Gemini Elf's lowered ATK strength, and now he is back on the field with Skill Drain out, will Gemini Elf's ATK strength go back to 1900 because Skill Drain is negating SW's second effect?

I am not sure about this but I think Gemini Elf's ATK will still be 1400 because this effect was the result of the previous turn and is now severed from the newly reborned SW.

1) Does SW's second effect activates in the GY.
 
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Even though it was the same physical Slate Warrior that caused the ATK/DEF of Gemini Elf to decrease, by being sent to the Graveyard and Special Summoned again, the game sees it as a new one. Skill Drain in that instance would not return Gemini Elf's ATK/DEF to normal levels.

Slate Warrior's second effect does activate in the Graveyard.
 
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Dlanaan said:
Even though it was the same physical Slate Warrior that caused the ATK/DEF of Gemini Elf to decrease, by being sent to the Graveyard and Special Summoned again, the game sees it as a new one. Skill Drain in that instance would not return Gemini Elf's ATK/DEF to normal levels.

Slate Warrior's second effect does activate in the Graveyard.
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got it.

OK. One more annoying question. Lets say Zombyra kills a Slate Warrior. His ATK becomes 1400 (2100-200-500). Now, on the next turn, Skill Drain was activated. Does Zombyra's ATK resets to 2100 or does it becomes 1600 because he killed Slate Warrior on the previous turn?
 
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It would be 1600. Zombyra's normal ATK is 2100. However, it is being modified by Slate Warrior's Graveyard effect to drop it by 500. (I hope this comparison doesn't mess things up, but ...) picture Slate Warrior as putting an invisible Equip Spell Card that cannot be negated or destroyed , nore take up space, on the card that destroyed it that lowers the equipped monster by 500.
 
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Dlanaan said:
Even though it was the same physical Slate Warrior that caused the ATK/DEF of Gemini Elf to decrease, by being sent to the Graveyard and Special Summoned again, the game sees it as a new one. Skill Drain in that instance would not return Gemini Elf's ATK/DEF to normal levels.

Slate Warrior's second effect does activate in the Graveyard.
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So that means that if I attack Slate warrior with Dark magician of chaos, my magician will not have the 500 reduction since Slate warrior was destroyed and removed from play. supossing that skill drain is not active on the field. Hmm, well, correct me if I am wrong, but in the card text of slate warrior says that "when this monster is destroyed", it doesn't mention the graveyard at all.

Did Slate warrior got errated or something?
 
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The current ruling (As of 7/30/04) on the judge's board is that Slate Warrior activates in the 'Send to the Graveyard' part of the Damage Step in spite of its text. It doesn't have to go TO the Graveyard, but its effect will not apply until it is off the field. Skill Drain will have no impact on it.
 
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