Slate Warrior/The End of Anubis

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If the End of Anubis attacks and destroys Slate Warrior, will The End of Anubis lose 500 atk?
I only ask since the End of Anubis negates effects that activate in the graveyard. But Slate Warrior just says "destroyed by battle". It doesn't say anything about going to the graveyard to get it's effect.
 
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It's an effect that activates during the Damage Step and not in the graveyard, that places the condition of decreasing it's ATK points, so End of Anubis will not negate Slate Warrior's effect. If it was Dark Ruler Ha Des or Dark Ruler was on the field, then the effect would be negated.
 
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I believe that Slate Warrior works the same way that Apprentice Magician now works. If it is sent to the Graveyard, then it activates in the Graveyard and The End of Anubis can negate it. If it is removed from play (e.g. if Banisher of the Light is on the field), then it will activate in the RFP pile, and then The End of Anubis won't negate it.
 
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skey23 said:
Entropy is correct. "Slate Warrior" works identically to "Apprentice Magician".
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really? I know you're the expert but can you explain... since Slate Warrior's and Apprentice Magician's effect go off at "the same time cards are sent to the Graveyard" but they are not in the Graveyard yet... am I splitting hairs?
 
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The effect activates after it is sent off the field, in whatever place it is at that time. If it's in the Graveyard, it activates in the Graveyard. If it's removed from play, then it activates in the RFP pile. If it's in the deck (via Grave Protector), then it activates in the deck. Etc.
 
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skey23 said:
Entropy is correct. "Slate Warrior" works identically to "Apprentice Magician".
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So accordingly, if Apprentice Magician is destroyed by End of Anubis, then Apprentice Magician will not get it's effect if it is in the graveyard since End of Anubis negates effects that activate in the graveyard?
 
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Actually Simon, according to the chart you linked to above, Slate Warrior happens during SubStep 5, resolve effects, the same time D.D. Warrior Lady and Ha Des happen. This is before monsters are considered sent to the graveyard (or other destination). So from my understanding, Slate Warrior would not be affected in any way by End of Anubis, no matter where he is going to end up. He is not a graveyard effect.
 
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That is true, if you notice which effect it is referring to. It's referring to the ATK/DEF increase that "Slate Warrior" gets after being flipped. It is not referring to the last part of his effect that reduces the ATK of the monster that destroyed it by battle, which is what this thread is all about.

I didn't think I'd actually have to go to the posted rulings to prove my point, but I guess that's what's needed.
UDE FAQ said:
[Re: Gorgon's Eye] "Gorgon’s Eye" cannot negate the effect of "Sangan", "Witch of the Black Forest", or "Sinister Serpent" because they activate in the Graveyard. If a Defense Position "Slate Warrior" is attacked and destroyed, the effect of "Slate Warrior" that lowers ATK and DEF is applied because it activates in the Graveyard.

[Re: Grave Protector]
If "Grave Protector" is on the field, the effect of "Slate Warrior" that reduces the ATK and DEF of the monster that destroys "Slate Warrior" is still applied, even though "Slate Warrior" is shuffled back into the Deck instead of being sent to the Graveyard. The timing of "Slate Warrior’s" effect is still at the end of the Damage Step (when monsters are normally sent to the Graveyard after battle).
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That sounds suspiciously like Sub Step 6 to me....but what do I know...

Enjoy...
 
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skey23 said:
That is true, if you notice which effect it is referring to. It's referring to the ATK/DEF increase that "Slate Warrior" gets after being flipped. It is not referring to the last part of his effect that reduces the ATK of the monster that destroyed it by battle, which is what this thread is all about.

I didn't think I'd actually have to go to the posted rulings to prove my point, but I guess that's what's needed.
That sounds suspiciously like Sub Step 6 to me....but what do I know...

Enjoy...
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So, it (Slate's ATK/DEF modifier to other monster) activates IN the Graveyard AND it activates EVEN IF NOT sent to the Graveyard.

I IS CONFUSED! :eek:
 
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skey23 said:
That is true, if you notice which effect it is referring to. It's referring to the ATK/DEF increase that "Slate Warrior" gets after being flipped. It is not referring to the last part of his effect that reduces the ATK of the monster that destroyed it by battle, which is what this thread is all about.

I didn't think I'd actually have to go to the posted rulings to prove my point, but I guess that's what's needed.
That sounds suspiciously like Sub Step 6 to me....but what do I know...

Enjoy...
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So, if according to the ruling for Gorgon's Eye, Slate Warrior's effect of reducing the ATK of the destroying monster activates in the graveyard, how does the effect still go through if Slate Warrior is removed from play instead? I only ask this since it was posted multiple times in this thread that the effect activates the same as Apprentice Magician but we know that Apprentice Magician's effect activates regardless of where it ends up. It was also stated that if Apprentice Magician was destroyed by End of Anubis, that it's effect would be negated. So, are the effects of Slate Warrior and Apprentice Magician graveyard activated effects or do they activate PRIOR to landing in the graveyard? Just a little confused with the statements that the effects of both monsters are activated in the same manner.
 
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I think I get it now......

1)It's the same reason as a lot of rulings.....BKSS.

2)That particular effect of Slate Warrior happens when Simon Says......Simon Says see the rulings......I got confused earlier. I read into the breakdown of damage step too much and didn't consult the card rulings. I figured since there is no indication of being sent to the graveyard it would activate in the same window as DDWL and DDA, sub step 5. But really, it activates when things WOULD be sent to the graveyard, sub step 6.....but it doesn't have to be sent to the graveyard. As a matter of fact, it doesn't matter where it ends up. Just so long as it was destroyed as a result of battle.

Please correct me if I'm coming to the right conclusion for the wrong reasons.
 
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Just a clarification, the reduction effect is NOT part of the FLIP effect, right? You can Normal Summon Newt face-up, have it destroyed by battle, and it still reduces the ATK and DEF of a monster, yes?
 
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That is correct. It was why Slate was such a nasty beast when he first came out. At bare minimum you had a 4 star 1900 beatstick (not super uncommon, but still a valuable asset) that you were reluctant to destroy in battle since the heavy hitter dropped 500 ATK. If you could hold/stall long enough, you could flip summon him and have a Jinzo killer. 8^D
 
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