Snatch Steal Effect

[Blackscorp]

Is the effect of Snatch Steal a continuous efect or a One-Shot effect??

Ex. 1.

If I take control of an opponent monster with Snatch Steal and the opponent later activates Imperial Order, will the monster return to my opponent Side?? if so, what happens when Imperial Order is Destroyed/Removed, will it return to my side again???

Ex. 2.

If I take control of an opponent monster with Snatch Steal and the opponent activate Remove Brainwashing and the monster return return to my opponent Side, What happens when Remove Brainwashing is Destroyed/Removed, will the monster to my side again???


Ex. 3.

If I take control of an opponent monster with Snatch Steal and then i play Creatur Swap and give my opponent the equiped monster, Will the equiped monster return to my side after Creature Swap resolve???

As far as I remember most (if not all) Equip Spell Cards have continuous effects.

I have checked the rules in the official page and in the card registry but i just got confused my self, any help in this would be very appreciated.

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

If Imperial Order leaves the field the monster will return to Snatch Steal's controller's control.


EDIT: The second Situation has been answered on the Judge's List: Snatch Steal Will take Control


The last situation Snatch Steal won't re-take control of the monster.

 

[Blackscorp]

Thanks DaGuyWitBluGlasses; but why exctly it wont return?? what's the mechanic behind it? what i need to know the continuous effect desapear?

 

[John Danker]

Ex. 1.

If I take control of an opponent monster with Snatch Steal and the opponent later activates Imperial Order, will the monster return to my opponent Side?? if so, what happens when Imperial Order is Destroyed/Removed, will it return to my side again???

When Imperial Order leaves the field the monster equip. with Snatch Steal will return to your side of the field.

Ex. 2.

If I take control of an opponent monster with Snatch Steal and the opponent activate Remove Brainwashing and the monster return return to my opponent Side, What happens when Remove Brainwashing is Destroyed/Removed, will the monster to my side again???

This one I'm going to have to check on.

Ex. 3.

If I take control of an opponent monster with Snatch Steal and then i play Creatur Swap and give my opponent the equiped monster, Will the equiped monster return to my side after Creature Swap resolve???

A monster that is equip. with Snatch Steal and then switches control via Creature Swap will remain on the side of the field it was "Swapped" to after Creature Swap resolves. (and Snatch Steal will remain equip.)

 

[Blackscorp]

Thanks John and another Question...

does Creature Swap place some kind of condition upon the monster swaped that do not allow then to return??

 

[chaosruler]

no, it's just that Mind Control and Change of Heart return them by their own effects, and Snatch Steal's effect is part of it's status as Equipment, so kill Snatch Steal, the control swapping effect Disappears-chaosruler

 

[John Danker]

As far as Snatch Steal vs. Remove Brainwashing the rulings for Remove Brainwashing are as follows....

When "Snatch Steal" is active, the +1000 Life Points effect is applied even if "Remove Brainwashing" has returned control of the monster to the original owner.

If "Remove Brainwashing" is destroyed, control does not revert again, so if I activate "Change of Heart" and my opponent chains "Remove Brainwashing", control of the monster comes to me and then reverts to my opponent. Then, later in the turn, if "Remove Brainwashing" is destroyed with "Heavy Storm", control does not revert back to me and remains with the original owner. (The same for "Creature Swap", etc.)

So I'm going to assume that if Remove Brainwashing leaves the field then Snatch Steal will not bring it back to it's side of the field.....unless someone can show me something that is contradictory.

Which is why I love the card Remove Brainwashing I'm sure we'll see increased use of Zombie decks with Creatures Swap, Snatch Steal is still not on the ban list, and we're seeing more and more Mind Control.

 

[Blackscorp]

Then the Question stand, Is theneffect of Snatch Steal Continuous or not???

If it is continuous it should bring the Monster Back.

If it is not continuos it won't bring the monster back after Imperial Order lives the field.

 

[chaosruler]

it is based on the status of the equip, if the equip is active, then the control is changed, if negated or destroyed, it reverts back... Creature Swap tells Snatch Steal to disregard the fact that the monster is back on the opponent's side of the field
just tryin' to help

-chaosruler

 

[Blackscorp]

it is based on the status of the equip, if the equip is active, then the control is changed, if negated or destroyed, it reverts back... Creature Swap tells Snatch Steal to disregard the fact that the monster is back on the opponent's side of the field
just tryin' to help

-chaosruler

Then, Creature Swap put a condition on the monster/Field so that the monsters swaped can't be changed back??

If so, then chang of heart won't have any effct on that especific swaped monster.

And thanks for all your help.

 

[chaosruler]

why not, it says take control of it, and also says to return it at the end of the turn...
EDIT: that was an abstract example just for Snatch Steal
-chaosruler

 

[Blackscorp]

Then it is "BKSS" rule?

If the effect of Snatch Steal is cotinuous, then Creature Swap shouldn't negate the continuous effect.

Why the monster return when Imperial Order leaves the fiel; But it won't return when Creatur Swap/Remove Brainwashing leaves???

Sorry if i'm being annoying, but this particular rule bugs me and just want to know WHY it is the way it is?

 

[chaosruler]

when Imperial Order leaves Snatch Steal "re-activates" and takes control again. Here's another way to see it, Imperial Order NEGATES Snatch Steal, while Creature Swap does nothing to negate it, so it won't try to take it again, i think the effect is trigger

-chaosruler

 

[John Danker]

Then it is "BKSS" rule?

If the effect of Snatch Steal is cotinuous, then Creature Swap shouldn't negate the continuous effect.

Why the monster return when Imperial Order leaves the fiel; But it won't return when Creatur Swap/Remove Brainwashing leaves???

Sorry if i'm being annoying, but this particular rule bugs me and just want to know WHY it is the way it is?

Imperial Order doesn't say anything about control of a monster changing, it only negates spell cards resolution.

Creature Swap and Remove Brainwashing specifically state control changes.

 

[chaosruler]

so, did I just explain it really awkwardly, or was I wrong?

-chaosruler

 

[Blackscorp]

Imperial Order doesn't say anything about control of a monster changing, it only negates spell cards resolution..

OK, that leaves Imperial Order out of Question.

Creature Swap and Remove Brainwashing specifically state control changes.

Now this mean that the control Shifting effect of Scatch Steal is not continuous, Right??

 

[John Danker]

Lets take a look at the card text from Snatch Steal...

Take control of a monster on your opponent's side of the field that is equipped with this card. Increase your opponent's Life Points by 1000 points during each of his/her Standby Phases.

It doesn't say....

"Take and keep control of a monster on your opponent's side of the field that is equipped with this card as long as it remains equiped with this card regardless of other card effects......."

It is, however, a equip. card so it will stay equip. regardless of who controls the monster Snatch Steal is equip. to. The 1000 lp gain continues as long as Snatch Steal is equip.

I know this is a tough one to stomach. I'm still trying to convince myself in some respects!

 

[Digital Jedi]

Curious. I can't fully understand why control switches back to the owner when Snatch Steal is negated. "Take control of a monster on your opponent's side of the field that is equipped with this card." The card never actually becomes unequipped, just the effect is negated. And it seems to me that the actual control change of the monster only occurs at the moment of "equiping." Now if Snatch Steal is "holding" that monster there through his effect, that's different. And while typing this, I just convinced myself. Amazing. That's what happen when your schizophrenic and one of your personalities is a Jedi and the other has a weak mind.

 

[John Danker]

What I find is that most of us tend to read more into a card's text than is actually there....then when we discuss it we do a Homer Simpson..."Doooohhhh!"

Then again often times we don't see what IS written on the card that we've looked at a hundred times. This was the case just today with me looking at Ameba. I was looking at combinations with Remove Brainwashing and Ameba when I read the part on Ameba about it's effect only being able to activate once while the monster is face up on the field <shrug>

Most of us before the common use of Creature Swap assumed that Snatch Steal was a continuous magnet that couldn't be unpluged until Snatch Steal was destroyed or removed from the field....but it just isn't so.

 

[Blackscorp]

Thanks John, it is very clear now and I completely agree with you; But..

Would it be safe to assume that when Imperial Order leaves the field ALL Equip Spell Cards that are face-up on the field RE-EQUIP themself to the monster they where equiped to?

My point is:
Why the monster equiped with Snatch Steal returns when Imperial Order leaves the field if the effect od Snatch Steal isn't a continuos one??