Solemn Judgment vs Ritual Summons

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In order to stop the Ritual Summons you need to negate the Ritual Card (don't you)?

And is Tributing those monster a cost?
 
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Im kind of reaching here, but from looking at a few Ritual cards text, it seems that the summons happens as part of the resolution for the effect of the Ritual Spell Card itself.

My interpretation of this is that yes, you would need to negate the Ritual Spell Card in order to negate the summons of the Ritual monster itself.

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Yes, you would need to negate the Ritual Spell Card to stop the Ritual Summon.

No, the tribute is part of the effect, not the cost.



Hope this helps!
 
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Tributing monsters is part of the Ritual Spell's effect.

There are many things you can do to stop a ritual summon:
A) Prevent Tributing (e.g Mask of Restrict)
B) Remove the necessary tributes (e.g Ring of Destruction)
C) Remove the Ritual monster (e.g Mind Crush)
D) Prevent (special) summons (Call of the Haunted + The Last Warrior of another Planet)
E) Negate the Ritual Spell card.
 
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DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
Tributing monsters is part of the Ritual Spell's effect.

There are many things you can do to stop a ritual summon:
A) Prevent Tributing (e.g Mask of Restrict)
B) Remove the necessary tributes (e.g Ring of Destruction)
C) Remove the Ritual monster (e.g Mind Crush)
D) Prevent (special) summons (Call of the Haunted + The Last Warrior of another Planet)
E) Negate the Ritual Spell card.
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I saw that and it put the question in my head:

If I were to activate a Ritual Spell Card, and my opponent chained with something like Mind Crush/Trap Dustshoot, to remove my Ritual monster from my hand, do I still tribute the required level of monsters to fulfill the remainder of the effect?
 
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squid said:
I saw that and it put the question in my head:

If I were to activate a Ritual Spell Card, and my opponent chained with something like Mind Crush/Trap Dustshoot, to remove my Ritual monster from my hand, do I still tribute the required level of monsters to fulfill the remainder of the effect?
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You no longer have the Reference to Tribute the required monsters. Normally, the Ritual Spell Card only tells you that you must Tribute either the exact amount or a combination of monsters equal to or greater, but not all actually say (some do, well, maybe the majority do, but not all), "Tribute xx amount", so you would not have to pay the cost of the tribute.

This should be a case where the effect does not resolve properly because you no longer have the referenced monster in hand. If it was a monster you could Ritual Summon from your "deck", then that would be a different story....
 
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DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
Tributing monsters is part of the Ritual Spell's effect.

There are many things you can do to stop a ritual summon:
A) Prevent Tributing (e.g Mask of Restrict)
B) Remove the necessary tributes (e.g Ring of Destruction)
C) Remove the Ritual monster (e.g Mind Crush)
D) Prevent (special) summons (Call of the Haunted + The Last Warrior of another Planet)
E) Negate the Ritual Spell card.
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Need to be careful with Mind Crush and End of the World as EotW allows you to summon one of two ritual monsters (Demise or Queen), so you better make sure you guess right. All the other ritual spell cards are pretty self explanatory as to what ritual monster your opponent will try to summon.
 
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HorusMaster said:
Need to be careful with Mind Crush and End of the World as EotW allows you to summon one of two ritual monsters (Demise or Queen), so you better make sure you guess right. All the other ritual spell cards are pretty self explanatory as to what ritual monster your opponent will try to summon.
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Earth Chant
Contract with the Abyss
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DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
Share the Pain
Order to Charge
Order to Smash
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If "Mask of Restrict" is chained to your opponent's "Share the Pain" you do not have to Tribute a monster, but your opponent still does because it is a cost.

Pretty much makes Share the Pain a cost.
 
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Yes, to the owner of Share the Pain, but for the opponent, it met what DaGuyWitBluGlasses was pointing out - "Let's point out for emphasis, that Rituals, as far as I know, are the only case of a Tribute not being a cost, but part of an effect resolution."
 
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That is not the point. You listed it with cards like Order to Smash and what not when it is clearly not the same as those where you will Tribute (the player who activated said card) at the resolution in order to do whatever it is you want the card to do (tribute your opponent's monster or destroy it).

Share the Pain is a cost. The same as any of the other type of cost cards out there.
 
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Tiso said:
That is not the point. You listed it with cards like Order to Smash and what not when it is clearly not the same as those where you will Tribute (the player who activated said card) at the resolution in order to do whatever it is you want the card to do (tribute your opponent's monster or destroy it).

Share the Pain is a cost. The same as any of the other type of cost cards out there.
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Share the pain has one tribute at activation, one tribute at resolution.

Does share the pain tribute a monster at resolution?

Answer = Yes.

Share the Pain is are the only case of a Tribute not being a cost, but part of an effect resoltuion.

Listing a card with other cards doesn't in any way mean they are the same. You are trying to see a pattern that doesn't exist, and likely wouldn't have even seen had there only been one "Order to "¦" card.

Just because the two "Order to "¦" cards are similar doesn't mean that anything lsited with them has to have anything in common.
 
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DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
Share the pain has one tribute at activation, one tribute at resolution.

Does share the pain tribute a monster at resolution?

Answer = Yes.

Share the Pain is are the only case of a Tribute not being a cost, but part of an effect resoltuion.

Listing a card with other cards doesn't in any way mean they are the same. You are trying to see a pattern that doesn't exist, and likely wouldn't have even seen had there only been one "Order to "¦" card.

Just because the two "Order to "¦" cards are similar doesn't mean that anything lsited with them has to have anything in common.
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Glasses, that is not the point. Your entire argument fell flat because Share the Pain is not the same as Order to Smash and Order to Charge. Just because it Tributes a monster at resolution has no bearing on the issue. You have to Tribute a monster in order to activate it first of all. Do I need to "Tribute" the monsters when I activate a Ritual Spell Card or at resolution? Do I need to Tribute a monster when I activate those 2 cards above or at resolution?

Share the Pain should not even be included in this when it is not even the same as those 2 or Ritual Spell Cards.
 
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