Some old doubts about BP

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Dr Sin

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All right, here we go:

1) I can enter the BP even if I have no face-up monsters when main phase 1 ends, right? (intending to activate CotH, Gateway to DW etc).
2) Can I enter the BP even if I don't intend to attack or make a move at all?
3) I enter the Battle step with one monster face-up on the field and Call (set)/ GtDW (set or in hand). I declare the attack, I pass priority, my opponent pass, I pass no responsive, op passes to. We reach the damage step. Since DE is reached, the only way I can have another battle step is if I have at the end of this damage step a face-up monster able to attack, isn't it? The situation I described above was to show: if I don't activate Call or GtDW in the start step or in the battle step, and DE was reached, it's too late to activate some effect that special summon a monster and continue my BP, right? Or in the end step, if I activate Call or GtDW I can still perform a battle step?

Well, that's it. Thanks in advance
 
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Dr Sin said:
All right, here we go:

1) I can enter the BP even if I have no face-up monsters when main phase 1 ends, right? (intending to activate CotH, Gateway to DW etc).
2) Can I enter the BP even if I don't intend to attack or make a move at all?
3) I enter the Battle step with one monster face-up on the field and Call (set)/ GtDW (set or in hand). I declare the attack, I pass priority, my opponent pass, I pass no responsive, op passes to. We reach the damage step. Since DE is reached, the only way I can have another battle step is if I have at the end of this damage step a face-up monster able to attack, isn't it? The situation I described above was to show: if I don't activate Call or GtDW in the start step or in the battle step, and DE was reached, it's too late to activate some effect that special summon a monster and continue my BP, right? Or in the end step, if I activate Call or GtDW I can still perform a battle step?

Well, that's it. Thanks in advance
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1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes, you can.
 
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Thanks for the answers. Questions 1 and 2 were just to check, but I want a special attention to question 3. In the rulebook (I'm talking about Warrior's Triumph version), a new battle step can only be started right after the damage step. For me, this means that if I don't have any monster able to attack at this point, I missed the opportunity to activate some effect that special summon a monster, and no other battle step can be done. We move to the end step, and both can now activate legal cards, but not enter a new battle step. Is it right?
 
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Remember that a phase doesn't end until both players agree it ends. If after all monster on the field have attacked, your opponent says, "Well, that's it then, in your MP2 I wish to activate a trap card."...and you say, "Whoa there cowboy, not so fast, we haven't a[ycard="SOD-EN055]Greed[/ycard] the battle phase is over yet, I wish to activate a trap card of my own in my battle phase. I activate CotH".....that works just fine.
 
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Presuming your in a state where it's acceptable to say "whoah there, cowboy". I belive in NY City it's two month probation and a manditory mugging. :p (God I'm silly this morning)

No game states prevent you from entering your Battle Phase, but certain effects might, like Thunder of Ruler and Soul Exchange. These would be the only ways your Battle Phase could not be entered. An effect that merely prevented you from attacking would not prevent it.

Maybe it's too early in the morning for me, but what's GtDW stand for?
 
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Digital Jedi said:
Oh, just me an my Erratas again. I hvae a problem with the way Gateway to the Dark World is worded.
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You should send all you problems to UDE. Maybe they will listen when they get a lot of emails (maybe they gonna block you they did that almost with me :S )
 
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Duelmaster said:
You should send all you problems to UDE. Maybe they will listen when they get a lot of emails (maybe they gonna block you they did that almost with me :S )
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This is not a UDE problem. This is a Konami problem. UDE has tried to make the game better and fix whatever problems Konami has. Key word try.
 
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John Danker said:
Remember that a phase doesn't end until both players agree it ends. If after all monster on the field have attacked, your opponent says, "Well, that's it then, in your MP2 I wish to activate a trap card."...and you say, "Whoa there cowboy, not so fast, we haven't aGreed the battle phase is over yet, I wish to activate a trap card of my own in my battle phase. I activate CotH".....that works just fine.
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Okay John, and this I know. I know I can stil activate an Appropriate card in the end step (after the damage step). But my point is, pay attention to this detail, that if I activate CotH in the end step, it's too late for that monster to enter a battle step, if all my other monsters that were able to attack and were already on the field attacked. I will give an example, to show the importance of this: It's my turn. I have a face up Sangan and a previous turn setted CotH. My opponent has only a Lily face-up. I enter the BP, declare an attack to Lily, me and my op pass response and non-responsive window. We reach the damage step. He decides to activate Lily's effect, thinking ("well, it's 2000 for 2400" and there will be no monsters further). Sangan resolves etc. The damage step is over.

Now, according to the manual, right after the damage step, TP decides if he will perform another battle or move to the end step. My question is: at this time, even if there is not yet a monster face-up able to attack, can TP go to the start step again, or can't he? Because if he enters the end step, as I understand the rulebook, yes, he is still in the BP, and can activate legal cards, but not perform a battle step anymore? Can you see the implications of it? It's a strategic situation. Thanks, hope this time the question is better explained.
 
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? What happened with the thread?

But ehm.... CotH overrides the rulebook in this case.
Also because the rulebook is made for a situation where you don't count on CotH etc.
 
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It makes sense, and I think it's the way it is. But it contradicts the rulebook, since there, still in the damage step it's decided if another battle step will be done. Just another error? For sure.
And it's a relevant thing, since it has strategics implications.
 
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