Summoner of Illusions, again, for the moment.

[CraniumX]

Alright, I hate to bring this up again, since it was just answered recently, but since my deck is heavily running Summoner of Illusions right now, and it hasn't been answered in the new questions from the judge's list, I'd like to know if I should print out a copy of the "current" "old" ruling that Steve said seems to be the current thing between it and Fiend Skull Dragon, to take with me and show people in case there's any questions, or should I just let the judge there (assuming one will be around, there isn't always) make his own call?

I don't bring him out very often, but sometimes he's useful for his effect, and if he does stay on the field, that's just gravy to add. If anyone's heard anything different, I'd like to know as well.

I can't wait for Cybernetic Revolution, I can so abuse him with the two Cyber Dragon fusions, since one does breakthrough damage and the other can attack twice in one turn.

 

[squid]

Fiend Skull Dragon vs Summoner of Illusions : Call of the Haunted Vs Jinzo

If you think this way, it would be so easier to understand.

while the end effect may seem to be similar, it would be misleading to compare Fiend Skull Dragon vs Summoner of Illusions to the CotH vs Jinzo rulings.

CotH is a Continuous Trap and stays put on the field, for Jinzo to negate.

With Summoner of Illusions, even if the card is destroyed by an attack, its effect of tributing to summon, and later destroying a summoned Fusion, still occurs, despite the card not being on the field.

Fiend Skull Dragon can still negate this "effect", though the fact that the SoI card is not required on the field makes it suspiciously similar to how a "condition" operates.

Dont get me wrong, though. As a devout Fiend runner, I deeply appreciate the ability to keep FSD on the field through this technique. However, like Raijinili, I suspect that this ruling is in need of some closer examination.

(Not that it will make one bit of difference to me, when it could end up triggering my Pandemonium field card, should they change the ruling)

 

[novastar]

That would be due to the fact that the Judge's List is not an official source of rulings. Only the website, www.yugioh-card.com, is an official rulings source.

Yes, ocassionally, official rulings are released to the Judge's List (like now as all these changes are happening), but those are posted on the website, and most of those have links to the official source.

Otherwise, all rulings on the Judge's List are NOT official rulings, but "informed rulings". The only way that a Judge's List Ruling is official is if it shows up on the official website.

Then, with that, to answer your last question: Konami controls the website. Not UDE. UDE has to get permission for every word that is written for the website.

Then there must be some slips through the cracks, which of course could obviously happen.

The Creator Incarnate ruling was one that was the exact opposite of what was written on the Japanese Official Site (i know, i did the translation myself).

I find it really hard to believe that every single last word is checked and given permission for. It's quite clear that Kevin steps over the boundries sometimes and makes rulings up himself (that 50% of the time, turn out to be in error).

I would bet that most of the inconsistances come from this kind of thing.

As far as the Judge's List, you would know best.

 

[deepdark]

I was at the Seattle SJC this weekend and it was ruled that Fiend Skull Dragon does not negate Summoners effect and is destroyed at the end phase. Could someone please provide a link for me to print out for up comming regionals that states that the FSD does negate this. Thanks for the help.

 

[bishop]

Actually, I don't see any "official" ruling on the web site for this, and it's been discussed over and over again with the final word being that the original ruling still stands for now. I believe that Steve posted in this thread (I didn't look. I'm lazy.) that the effect is still negated and FSD is not destroyed.

 

[Dillie-O]

Yeah, unfortunately its one of those cases where is unofficially official. There's a similar issue with Fairy King Truesdale. The unofficially official ruling is that its boosting effect is only applied when its in defense position. But due to something regarding the fact that its a Konami card released through one of the GBA games, UDE can't post the official ruling. It's a few of those things that always cause some havoc.

Best bet would be to string together some of these key threads together to keep as a sample of some of the L3s that have hashed this thing through. Some people won't take it unless its written in the "book of UDE", but what can ya do.

 

[densetsu_x]

Dillie - they finally errata-ed the card several months ago. It's official... it has to be in defense position for you to get the effect.

 

[Dillie-O]

Oh sweet! Thanks for the heads up on that! I need to read the errata updates more. 8^D

 

[Raijinili]

Actually, I don't see any "official" ruling on the web site for this, and it's been discussed over and over again with the final word being that the original ruling still stands for now. I believe that Steve posted in this thread (I didn't look. I'm lazy.) that the effect is still negated and FSD is not destroyed.

I would say it's not on the site because it's wrong...

They repealed the Jinzo VS Rope of Life ruling, by the way.