Swarm of Scarabs and folks

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Hi,
the situation is:
Its my turn and i got a face-up defence position Swarm of Scarabs flipped face-up by Swords in my opponents turn. Now i flipp it face-down via his own effect. This is not threatet als Battle-Position-Change cause it goes from defence to defence so i can flipp it face-up in the same turn.
Am i right with this?

If this is correct am i able to flipp it face-down again by his own effect? ... I heard some guys saying this. They argued that the effect was reset by flipping it face-down. Are they correct?

thx for reply!
greetz
Xe0
 
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If Swarm of Scrabs is in face up defense position (or any sim. monster such as Guardian Sphinx, Swarm of Locusts, etc.) you may use it's effect to flip it face down and then flip summon it. You are though, stuck with it left in face up attack position until your next turn.
 
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Yes you can flip it face down and then back up since it was already in defence position. Since flipping it face up requires you to change it from defence position to attack position you can't change its core position manually again this turn but you are free to use another card's effect, e.g. Book of Moon, to once again switch it to face down defence but not it's own effect as it's limited to once per turn.

And John beat me to it... :(
;)
 
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Thanks for reply!

I got another Question for you:
If i activate Mind Control on an face-down Mataza and flipp it face-up it wont be able to return to my opponent right?
The question is, am i able to attack or sacrifice it in a later turn then the turn i took control about it? (i quess im not)

greetz
Xe0
 
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From the UDE Specific card rulings:
If you take control of a face-down "Mataza the Zapper" and flip it face-up, it stays on your side of the field and doesn't return to the original controller.
 
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Hmm, it depends on whether that effect lingers beyond the end of your turn (when Mind Control's effect should disappear), there's no mention of an end to this condition so I'd say that you would indeed be stuck with a card that you cannot tribute or attack with. I'd wait for a higher up to confirm/deny this though.
 
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Since you were only supposed to "technically" have the monster only until the End Phase of the turn, it would more than likely only affect the monster for that turn.

It is the effect of Mataza that prevents the return of control, so I think that on your next turn he would be able to attack again, as he is now under your control.
 
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Mind Control has no specifications as to when it's effect ends. Unforutnately, there are no definite rulings on Mind COntrol.

However, if I had to rule it as it stands, Mataza, taken by Mind Control, will NOT be able to attack.

However, I definitely COULD be wrong.



Waldo10032 "“ The Fiendish Duelist says:
"What? You attack my Giant Orc while he's in Defense mode?
You shouldn't do that. He's got a very contagious sickness called "Deck Devastation Virus". Ooops! Look at that! You've been infected!!!
 
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Lets be realistic here. If the effect of "Mind Control" continued past the turn, wouldnt the affected monster, on its return to the Original Owner, STILL be under the effect of Mind Control?

So now the Original Controller has a useless monster that THEY cant attack with or tribute, right?
 
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My bad, though it said "you cannot declare an attack with or tribute this monster", the condition would have to end at the end of the turn so or else this card is really going to annoy alot of people when used on their best monster.

"Take control of 1 monster on your opponent's side of the field until the End Phase. This monster cannot declare an attack or be Tributed"
 
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daivahataka said:
But the wording is that "you" not that "the controller" is inhibited by this condition.
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This is the exact wording:

Card Text
Take control of 1 monster on your opponent's side of the field until the End Phase. This monster cannot declare an attack or be Tributed.


There's no mention of who is no longer affected when control reverts or if control never reverts.

So, since the text does not specifically state that when control returns, the effect disappears, how do we assume that just because it is no longer controlled by the owner of Mind Control, that it is no long affected?

Im of the belief that it is only for that turn only, and the effect disappears on the next turn, regardless of who owns the monster.
 
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This seems similar to the situation with a monster equipped with Heavy Mech Support and affected by Limiter Removal. When the lingering effect of Limiter tries to destroy the equipped monster HMS "takes the bullet" fo the monster but the first effect of doubling the attack of said monster never required the monster to die.

Although this is a single card effect, it would seem that the lingering effect of Mind Control (This monster cannot decalre an attack or be Tributed) wouldn't depnd on which side of the field it was on after the End phase of the turn it was played.

Although that makes sense, that's probably not the case. Otherwise that would be extremely broke. Probably just another sad case of translating what the card said instead of translating what the card means.
 
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Best thing to say at this point is.... send it to the Judge's List. Let them hash it out. Since the text itself does not state that the "no attack/tribute" condition ends when control reverts, it needs to be clarified or errata'ed in order to be clear to all. Otherwise, we could end up with "arguments" instead of simple debates like this in actual tournaments. However for the most part I've seen it simply considered a Change of Heart one turn only effect by most players revolving around that attack/tribute limitation.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
This is the exact wording:

Card Text
Take control of 1 monster on your opponent's side of the field until the End Phase. This monster cannot declare an attack or be Tributed.
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Well let's jsut say the translators made two mistakes and correct them:

  • Take control of 1 monster on your opponent's side of the field until the End Phase; this monster cannot declare an attack nor be Tributed.
There. Problem solved. No confusion anymore.
 
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