TAEV - Summoner's Art

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Summoner's Art

TAEV-EN057 (Normal Spell Card)

[Add 1 Level 5 or higher Normal Monster from your Deck to your hand.]

You cannot activate this card if you have no Level 5 or higher Normal Monsters in your Deck.


As we all know TAEV rulings have been posted:

http://entertainment.upperdeck.com/op/community/forums/thread/805924.aspx

Now, I was looking through it and found that Summoner's Art ruling... is it just me or does that ruling make no sense at all? The deck is not public knowledge, so how can you know if you have no lv 5 or higher monsters in it?
 
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densetsu_x said:
You built the deck. You would know if you had any 5* or higher normal monsters left in it.
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That's irrelevant, it's still not public knowledge, if that were the case you could not activate Reinforcements of the Army or any other card that let's you search your deck.
 
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slither said:
That's irrelevant, it's still not public knowledge, if that were the case you could not activate Reinforcements of the Army or any other card that let's you search your deck.
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The rulings allow you to activate Reinforcement of the Army even if you don't have any viable targets. Yeah, I know it's a contradiction. However Summoner's Art does follow the pattern of the latest cards with that effect like "Volcanic Shell" (can't activate if you don't have any more Shells left in your deck.

So actually knowing what you do put into your deck and where those cards are currently located is completely relevant to using these effects. If you do it accidentally, you rewind and put Summoner's Art back into your hand (since it couldn't be activated) but you have to be careful because in a sanctioned tournament, you could get a warning/game loss for repeated abuse of that.
 
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As densetsu said, perhaps these "you cannot activate if you don't have it in your Deck" rulings mean that if you fail to find whatever you're looking for, the card has been improperly activated, and so time is wound back to before you activated it (including returning Costs, if there are any).

The ruling as a literal statement is nonsense. The Deck is not public knowledge. It's not even knowledge to the owner, because the Deck List is not a part of the game - it's a part of the game policy to ensure a fair field (otherwise a Deck could have Exodia parts and nothing but Pot of Greeds in it, which is perfectly legal as far as the game itself is concerned). There's no way to know if you're activating a card illegally. And since the game is rewound every time you do so, it forgets that you've done so, and thus allows you to do so again.

I dunno. We'll have to ask about the mentality behind these rulings, since (as I said) as they stand they're meaningless. I'm guessing it's a way to prevent stalling, as the first misactivation will tell you that you can't activate it again without doing something to change the situation. That'll be what it means, but unfortunately the rulings seem to suffer the same curse as some card texts themselves. It's a policy that's been around forever, but now they've made a (poorly worded) ruling out of it.
 
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Maybe it was started to stop people from taking their sweet time looking through your deck to make sure you're not lying when you can't find anything >.>
 
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densetsu_x said:
The rulings allow you to activate Reinforcement of the Army even if you don't have any viable targets. Yeah, I know it's a contradiction. However Summoner's Art does follow the pattern of the latest cards with that effect like "Volcanic Shell" (can't activate if you don't have any more Shells left in your deck.

So actually knowing what you do put into your deck and where those cards are currently located is completely relevant to using these effects. If you do it accidentally, you rewind and put Summoner's Art back into your hand (since it couldn't be activated) but you have to be careful because in a sanctioned tournament, you could get a warning/game loss for repeated abuse of that.
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Another BKSS, instead of making it easier and just make the effect dissapear. :angry
 
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DarkLogicianOfCaos said:
Well, if you do not have another 5*+ and know it, you could be using the effect illegally on purpose to get a free shuffle.
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It also applies to any of the ones I previously mentioned. Or even so, it has long been debated that for "restricted"/"semi-restricted" FLIP: effect monsters you could still search your deck, because even though you know they are restricted or semi-restricted the game doesn't know that.

This is just a BKSS case, which apparently they will never stop.
 
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Personally, should I ever find myself in a situation involving finding a particular card or type of card in my Deck, I'll ignore any rulings which say I can't if I have no copies in there. They're frankly silly, as mentioned above by myself and others. It's a long-standing mechanic that the contents of a player's Deck is unknown, and there's no real reason to dispute it.
 
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