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when the scared phoenix and the dark necrofear is absorbed by TER, they dont come back.....

(lets say for the phoenix )this is becxause when it is destroyed it was considered as an equip magic right?

"If this card is destroyed by a card effect, Special Summon this card during your next Standby Phase. If you Special Summon this card successfully in this way, destroy all Spell and Trap Cards on the field. "


so when its destroyed.......it was a magic card and the effect does not take place right???


whereas lets say if u absorb sangan or sinister serpent, though it was destroyed as a magic card, when it hits the graveyard its a monster card again........

and the efect works right??

but what exactly is the explannaiotn for it......
 
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Well, first off, mosnters equipped to Thousand-Eyes Restrict or Relinquished by their effects become Equip Cards, not Equip Spells. Sinister Serpent and Sangan deal with Graveyard contents, aka them being in it. Phoenix cannot recall how he got to the graveyard (TER causes amnesia in Phoenix :p) so Phoenix cannot determine how he was destroyed, so he doesn't recur. This is my theory, and I will probably be whapped for being wrong.

-chaosruler
 
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Actually, monsters equipped to other monsters ARE condisdered equip spell cards, it's just traps that remain as trap cards. Otherwise, you'd get this curious state of affairs where Heavy Storm wouldn't destroy monsters equipped to Relinquished, because they weren't spell or trap cards.
 
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chaosruler said:
Well, first off, mosnters equipped to Thousand-Eyes Restrict or Relinquished by their effects become Equip Cards, not Equip Spells. Sinister Serpent and Sangan deal with Graveyard contents, aka them being in it. Phoenix cannot recall how he got to the graveyard (TER causes amnesia in Phoenix :p) so Phoenix cannot determine how he was destroyed, so he doesn't recur. This is my theory, and I will probably be whapped for being wrong.

-chaosruler
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Monster Cards become Equip Spell Cards when equipped.

Your theory about Phoenix is sound... ;)

In other words, Phoenix must be a Monster Card when destroyed.
 
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Sacred Phoenix of Nepthys
"If this card is destroyed by a card effect, Special Summon this card during your next Standby Phase." If you Special Summon this card successfully in this way, destroy all Spell and Trap Cards on the field.

Guardian Tryce
This card can only be Normal Summoned, Flip Summoned, or Special Summoned when there is a "Twin Swords of Flashing Light - Tryce" on your side of the field. "When this card is destroyed and sent to the Graveyard", Special Summon to your side of the field the monster in the Graveyard that was used for the Tribute Summon of this card.


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If this card is destroyed by a card effect, Special Summon this card during your next Standby Phase.

When this card is destroyed and sent to the Graveyard


There effects are identical.
 
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No, they aren't. Sacred Phoenix needs to know it was destroyed by a card effect as soon as it dies, whereas Guardian Tryce doesn't card how he is destroyed. That's the difference. Tryce has no limitations on how he must die, while the Turkey does.

-chaosruler
 
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Not really, being "sent to the Graveyard" is also a requirement. I could see that as the difference, because the check would be performed after Tryce has entered the Graveyard.

It seems to me the Phoenix only need be in the Graveyard during the next Standby Phase in order to activate its effect. If it were destroyed and then RFP, and then brought back to the Graveyard (ie. Miracle Dig) it seems that you could infact Special Summon it.

The ruling on Phoenix does state that it does not activate, indicating that the "marker" of sorts is placed at the point of destruction, and it must be a Monster Card at that point.

Just my thoughts
 
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novastar said:
It seems to me the Phoenix only need be in the Graveyard during the next Standby Phase in order to activate its effect. If it were destroyed and then RFP, and then brought back to the Graveyard (ie. Miracle Dig) it seems that you could infact Special Summon it.
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I seem to remember a ruling where if you fusion summoned a monster with Fusion Gate and the materials were "returned" to the graveyard, you could not special summon them with De-Fusion.

But i can't find it...
 
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There's only two kind of Equip Cards in the game. Equip Spells and Equip Traps. Unless it is a trap card or it specifically says otherwise it will always default to an Equip Spell Card.

Phoenix text should have read "if this Monster Card is destroyed by a card effect" to better reflect it's ruling.
 
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DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
I seem to remember a ruling where if you fusion summoned a monster with Fusion Gate and the materials were "returned" to the graveyard, you could not special summon them with De-Fusion.

But i can't find it...
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Yeah, it is hard to tell.

There is unfortunately no clear ruling here. The Phoenix ruling just states that if it's RFP and not in the Graveyard during the next Standby Phase the effect won't Trigger.

My gutt would tell me the my previous statement isn't correct, but there isn't any strong ruling (that i can think of off the top of my head) that would point it one way or the other.

I'll look for the Fusion Gate ruling.

EDIT: The Dark Ruler ruling under Miracle Dig would suggest that effects (lingering, delayed triggers) and such would be reset if removed from the Graveyard, and then returned.

That would indicate to me that Phoenix would not trigger.
 
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