Test for all yugioh players !!

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mortals said:
The answer is 42
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Ah, but do you know the Question? Marvin does. He reveals it during his conversation with the mattress...

No, it's not, "What do you get if you multiply six by nine?" (or seven). The Golgafrinchams messed up the Earth by crashing on it. How can that question possibly be correct after the computer's been messed up?
 
As we seem to be getting off topic and the thread has been hijacked by nonesense....

My eldest son (age 13) is talking to my younger son (age 8)

My eldest says, "If a tree falls in the woods and there isn't a person there does it make any sound?" (trying to be phylosophical)

The younger son replies, "That depends on....is there a bear there?"

At which point I can't help but break out laughing and it was all I could do not to ask the question, "Does a bear <blank> in the woods?"

I now return you to your previously scheduled thread of nonsense.
 
I think I see what he's saying about this definition. Since you can't give your opponent any compensation... that would include the act of giving him a WIN... so you CAN'T concede... otherwise you would be compensating him/her with a win.

Kinda screwy to look at it that way... although I think Yu-gi-oh encourages over thinking by many of us :D

EDIT: my reasoning appeears to be a little off since the statement clearly states that the opponenent who is receiving the concession is giving the compensatin.

I IS CONFUSED!
 
Is this even worth continuing? There really is no point I can see to answering it any more, as it has sunk into a Spamfest, and the Thread Originator doesnt seem to be interested in stopping it.
 
If a tree fell on a florist, would he make a noise?


I think the problem is that Paul perceives a hidden meaning or loophole that isn't really there. Unless, he thinks a concession is what Nelmor put in his post, in which case somebody is on medication, or forgot to take it... :-:
 
One last thought for those of us in the know....

If a husband says something in the woods and his wife is NOWHERE around to hear it, is he still wrong?
 
HorusMaster said:
One last thought for those of us in the know....

If a husband says something in the woods and his wife is NOWHERE around to hear it, is he still wrong?
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Only if he say's, "Which way to Las Vegas?!!!" ;)
 
SoilentG you are the winner for thinking out side the box... The card is called victory dragon but it does't only stop there. I was at my regional last saturday and heard for the head judge and other UDE sources that upperdeck will change the [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Game Concession" [/font][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]tournament policy so that it will be clear that you cant quit the game beacuse your about the lose to victory dragon.. There is no set time right now that they will update the new policy. I think this is a big victory in where the card can really be play. thank you to all who made a commitment of trying to figure out the text agian thank later tonight i'll add another test for players...
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No offense, but these "rumors" had been swirling for months and in fact the last time the question was brought up on the mailing list, it was definitively stated that "A player can concede at any time." Further, there are quite a few people on this forum who are connected with "UDE Sources" that I think if such a change were coming on the horizon, they would have indicated as such. As of now, unless someone takes Victory Dragon to the Top 8 at a SJC and gets nerfed in the Finals because of it, there is no motivation whatsoever for them to change any policy.
 
And no offense to Paul or SoilentG, but the interpretation of totally off.

"Players may concede a game or match at any time, provided that the concession does not involve compensation in exchange for the concession. Players may not offer their opponents any type of compensation or bribe in exchange for a concession."​

To concede is to make a concession. Your confusing "concession" with "compensation" which are two completely different things. The policy makes it very clear that you can give your opponents a concession, a game loss/match, but that you can't give that concession in exchange for compensation. You've mixed and matched the two words which completely alters its correct meaning.
 
Digital Jedi... I think i totally agree.... the answer IS 42... and that is the final answer...


as for this riddle/ game/ test.... I think that we all have hit the nail on the head in our debate and know it... but I also think that this must have been brought up due to a circumstance at a tourney experienced by Paul.. so therefore I am making absolutely no sense at all

leave a message ... BEEEEEP
 
(considers wildly unlikely situation involving exchange to give opponent victory dragon, and dna surgery to change all monsters to dragons to allow opponent to summon it, just to concede to spite them)
 
masterwoo0 said:
I'm officially lost. Losing isnt Gaining. You don't gain another chance to play, as that is something that is inherent to the game if you have only lost one Game in a "Best of 3" Match, and there is still time on the clock.
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You are a liar. I'm sick of pretending otherwise. You say that a player doesn't gain anything by conceding in the face of Victory Dragon and that's pure BS.

If there is no advantage, then THERE IS NO REASON TO CONCEDE. Yet YOU YOURSELF imply several times that you would ALWAYS concede in the face of Victory Dragon, even though, according to you, there is no advantage to doing so.

Then, logically, you must see some advantage in doing so, and thus you are contradicting yourself.
densetsu_x said:
No offense, but these "rumors" had been swirling for months and in fact the last time the question was brought up on the mailing list, it was definitively stated that "A player can concede at any time."
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Actually, it was AS definitive as the quote from the rule. Because all Curtis did was quote the rule and say that it applies. He didn't even elaborate. So if the rule is in question, then so is his answer.
Digital Jedi said:
To concede is to make a concession. Your confusing "concession" with "compensation" which are two completely different things. The policy makes it very clear that you can give your opponents a concession, a game loss/match, but that you can't give that concession in exchange for compensation. You've mixed and matched the two words which completely alters its correct meaning.
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Actually, paul is mixing up "compensation" with "gain". You must RECEIVE compensation, as opposed to simply getting it yourself.

English Chef: You know what would be REALLY evil? Summon Victory Dragon and announce that you'll give them a penny to concede. If they concede, give them the penny and then you'll both be called for bribery. If they don't, then kill them with Victory Dragon and win the match. Either way, you'll probably get a warning for stupid behavior, but your opponent will be faced with a difficult choice (actually, it'll be easy if they're smart: concede and then call over a judge).
 
Raijinili said:
You are a liar. I'm sick of pretending otherwise. You say that a player doesn't gain anything by conceding in the face of Victory Dragon and that's pure BS.

If there is no advantage, then THERE IS NO REASON TO CONCEDE. Yet YOU YOURSELF imply several times that you would ALWAYS concede in the face of Victory Dragon, even though, according to you, there is no advantage to doing so.
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What a ridiculous counter argument. That's like saying, "I'll shoot myself in the right foot, because if I shoot my left foot it will hurt more." A loss is a loss. You don't gain anything from losing because the Rules say that if neither player has 2 wins within the 40 minute timeframe for the Match, they will continue to play until either time runs out, or a player wins a 2nd Game. So what did the player who conceded gain by concession? He got nothing more than what he was entitled to, and that was a 2nd or 3rd Game, depending on what Duel he received the Game Loss in.

Concession isnt gaining, since there is nothing expressly written in any Yugioh Rule Book or Tournament Policy, that states that the player can "win" the opportunity for a 2nd/3rd Game by conceding a single Duel.
 
OK.. I see that Victory dragon has potential.. .. but can someone please explain to me why it's such a great card to fear?? cuz Im not seeing it....
 
Because if you win the Round with a Direct Attack from Victory Dragon, you win the entire match. The effect of the card "overrides" the "Need to win 2 out of 3 rounds" if you fulfil the conditions, and that is the heart of the debate here. If you see yourself losing the match because you don't have a way to stop Victory Dragon, you can concede instead, take the Round loss instead, and continue play. You might be at a drawback now but it's still better than the alternative.

Or to expand how Raijinili would view Woo0's anology:

No, it would be shooting myself in the foot rather than allow myself to be shot in the brain.
 
I love a good argument (and people know I love a good argument), but masterwoo0 is a liar. Lying to himself or lying to others about what he thinks.

You're trying to get around on technicalities and pretending that, since you're going to lose either way, there is no gain in either choice. This contradicts reason, this contradicts economics, this contradicts anthropology/psychology, and I'm fed up with it.
 
Since when did we allow ourselves to get into a ridiculous arguement over something simple. First, Paul asked us to "think outside the box" for the definition of Conceding a Game and as a "reward", he would give us the name of the "best" Yugioh card there is. This, in and of itself, is ridiculous because there is no "best" card in Yugioh. The best card in Yugioh is the one that is played to win the game for the person that played that card. But to think that he was looking for Victory Dragon and what it's effect is on the game was extremely vague and discussed ad nauseum in prior posts. We all understand the policy on conceding a game and what effect that will have on a player using Victory Dragon.

A loss is a loss, regardless of how people view it. If it wasn't a loss, it would be a win and you won't find gain as a synonym for loss. You don't gain anything from a loss, just a chance at winning the next game. That's not a gain, it's not a win- it's a chance.

Whether you shoot yourself in the foot or in the head- Bottomline is that you're still shot and it hurts you either way.
 
Actually though, shooting myself in the foot (taking the game loss) would hurt, but I can fight on. Shooting myself in the head (taking the match loss) won't hurt cause I'd be "dead" and out for the match. So no technically I may not be "gaining" anything... I'm just not "losing" as much in 1 shot.

And really, this is just the same debate/argument we've had before to no resolution, nor does it look like it's going to change. So I nominate that we do close the thread because we're getting hissyfits and name-calling and beating an already dead horse when the thread was created. People have had their opinions vocalized before the 1st time around and well, it doesn't look like anything has changed or is going to change.
 
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