The End Of Anubis & Exiled Force

[daleotar]

In the game F.A.Q., in the second paragraph the text about Skill Drain says:

? "Skill Drain" negates the effects of face-up Effect Monsters on the field, but does not negate effects ?that activate in the Graveyard?, such as "Witch of the Black Forest", "Sangan", "Mystic Tomato", "Giant Rat", "Exiled Force", "Sinister Serpent", and "Vampire Lord".

That text says in a clear form that the ?effect? of Exiled Force activates in the graveyard in a very textual form, that which confirmate that as the effect of Exiled Force activates in the graveyard, The End of Anubis negates this effect.

To confirm these text, I say that one thing in many cards is activate the effect, other thing is the cost of effect's activation, and other thing is the activation of the card; if a card have a cost to activate, the player pays first the cost and if the opponent not chain a counter trap, its ?effect? resolves in a correct form, that is to say, first goes the cost and after the activation of the ?effect? of the card, ?that is different that the activation of a card?, that is to say that Exiled Force effect have a cost, and then, if the opponent not chain Divine Wrath, the effect activates normally, and then, at that time, Exiled Force is in the graveyard when the effect of destroy 1 monster on the field is activated.

Please respond me in this forum, because,in tournament many times I have lost because according to the approach of a judge the "effect" of Exiled Force not activates in the graveyard.

Please, is better if an official upperdeck judge responds me, to confirm my question in legal form.

David Tarazona
YU-GI-OH UpperDeck Judge LEVEL 2

Thank you

 

[densetsu_x]

"Exiled Force" shouldn't be on that list. It's effect actiavtes on the field and resolves there. It is able to resolve though since he's not on the field when it does resolve. This is way different than "Witch of the Black Forest", "Sangan", "Sinister Serpent" etc. whose effects do not activate until they are in the Graveyard.

 

[John Danker]

So by the ruling of Skill Drain if Cannon Soldier tributes himself it's effect activates in the graveyard? <shaking head cartoon style> IEIEIEIEIEIEI

 

[Dlanaan]

The wording is poor. Cannon Soldier will resolve properly because it is not on the field when it resolves. The effect of Cannon Soldier (nor Exiled Force) does not activate in the Graveyard. Skill Drain just doesn't effect it because it isn't on the field when the effect resolves.

Keep in mind that if a monster like Tribe Infecting Virus is sent to the Graveyard/returned to hand/etc. before its effect resolves, the effect still isn't considered activating in the Graveyard/hand/whereever. It is still just a case of the monster not being on the field.

 

[novastar]

The wording is not poor at all. It is because people don't understand the mechanics of how tributing a monster for its own effect still makes the effect a Field effect.

 

[StRiKe_NiNjA]

The FAQ's shouldn't have listed Exiled Force, as it never activates in the graveyard.

Must be an error here.

Even so, do we have to uphold that ruling the way it is?

 

[John Danker]

The FAQ's shouldn't have listed Exiled Force, as it never activates in the graveyard.

Must be an error here.

Even so, do we have to uphold that ruling the way it is?

That was my point with Cannon Soldier. Exiled Force shouldn't have been listed in the Skill Drain ruling. It's misleading and needs to be removed from the ruling. We often base rulings from another card's rulings.

 

[jdos]

That was my point with Cannon Soldier. Exiled Force shouldn't have been listed in the Skill Drain ruling. It's misleading and needs to be removed from the ruling. We often base rulings from another card's rulings.

I sent this to the Judge's List a while back asking for clarification and/or changing the Skill Drain ruling...never got a response though.

 

[CraniumX]

Don't we all just loooooove unclarity? Soooooooo much fun.
Stupid Exiled Force anyway, hate that card with a passion.
*chants from the back row where noone listens "Ban, ban, ban, ban, ban!"*

 

[maestro satori]

if they ban the card I will never get rid of them. dang cockroaches

but seriously Exiled Force is limited to one and at first seemed better than d.d warrior lady now I know it's better than d d warrior lady no battle need happen to get the effect.

chaining to Exiled Force is hard to do. I can onlt think of a few cards that would work to save either your monster or stop Exiled Force. Compulsory Evacuation Device for your monster and Divine Wrath to stop Exiled Force. any others? Shift wouldn't work would it?

 

[skey23]

"Shift" would not work, since it only works for Spell, Trap, or battle attack, not monster effects.

 

[densetsu_x]

This just in from the mailing list.

Will a face up "The End of Anubis" negate the effect of "Exiled Force"?

Answer:

"The End of Anubis" will negate the effect of "Exiled Force".

WTF?!? That is just so wrong. In that case, "The End of Anubis" will negate any effect monster that say tributes itself to resolve its effect since it's in the graveyard during the resolution? That must be the answer since "Exiled Force" neither activates his effect in the Graveyard nor targets a monster in the Graveyard.

Time to hunt through the rulings on this one to find the contradictions.

 

[jdos]

This just in from the mailing list.

Will a face up "The End of Anubis" negate the effect of "Exiled Force"?

Answer:

"The End of Anubis" will negate the effect of "Exiled Force".

WTF?!? That is just so wrong. In that case, "The End of Anubis" will negate any effect monster that say tributes itself to resolve its effect since it's in the graveyard during the resolution? That must be the answer since "Exiled Force" neither activates his effect in the Graveyard nor targets a monster in the Graveyard.

Time to hunt through the rulings on this one to find the contradictions.

Yeah, wow. I was expecting the opposite answer and just hoping for a correction in the Skill Drain ruling. Ruling it this way seems to really open up a whole new can of worms.

It seems to me that the more I learn about this game, the more questions I have and the harder it becomes...but, then, I always was a sucker for exercises in futility.

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

That is just so wrong. In that case, "The End of Anubis" will negate any effect monster that say tributes itself to resolve its effect since it's in the graveyard during the resolution? That must be the answer since "Exiled Force" neither activates his effect in the Graveyard nor targets a monster in the Graveyard.

Cost are paid too activate a card: i.e before a card is activated. (EDIT Placing a card on the field doesn't mean it's activated (yet))

Therefore Exiled Force (this monster)will be in the graveyard when it activates.

Now let's translate that into Japanese then back into english and we get:

"Therefore as for this monster when that activates in the graveyard, it is."

That definitely looks like it's saying that it activates in the graveyard.
Blame it on a translation

 

[densetsu_x]

Blame the translation? Maybe.

Saying you pay a cost before an activation? No. You activate the effect which in turn brings the costs for said activation.

With your own example... you place "Lightning Vortex" face up on the field first and then discard the card as the cost to say "I'm activated".

 

[Madma]

I was just a little worried about that e-mail...

Can you confirm that The End of Anubis doesn't negate the effect of Exiled Force?



Oh, a small question: since a monster with an a spell speed 3 effect doesn't exist, A-Team cannot activate its effect against a counter-trap...right?

 

[novastar]

That still doesn't make it a Graveyard Effect.

You choose to activate the effect while Exiled Force is on the Field. It doesn't matter where it is when the effect is put on the chain.

The ruling is most definately erroneous.

 

[Madma]

Ok, and what about my little question?

 

[novastar]

Blame the translation? Maybe.

Saying you pay a cost before an activation? No. You activate the effect which in turn brings the costs for said activation.

With your own example... you place "Lightning Vortex" face up on the field first and then discard the card as the cost to say "I'm activated".

Actually technically everything must be fully completed during the activation before it is considered "activated"

But you are correct, you first declare that you are "playing" an effect (or card) by placing on the Field, prior to paying cost.

This ruling is just ridiculous.

I am not going to go around saying Exiled Force is a Graveyard Effect.

 

[novastar]

I was just a little worried about that e-mail...

Can you confirm that The End of Anubis doesn't negate the effect of Exiled Force?



Oh, a small question: since a monster with an a spell speed 3 effect doesn't exist, A-Team cannot activate its effect against a counter-trap...right?

Of course, you cannot chain a Spell Speed 1 to a Spell Speed 3 Counter Trap.