The End of Anubis VS Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV6

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Madma said:
Ehm...a judge told me that rulings about The End of Anubis are changed: now The End of Anubis cannot negate the effect of Exiled Force,
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Can't say that I heard that one... And I'd really rather avoid a lengthy discussion of Anubis vs Exiled on "hear-say".

The last word from the Judge List was Exiled is a Graveyard Effect. If it is not, and there is a documented ruling from UDE, then I would like to see it.

We all have heard many things that we would "like" to be true, whether its a "off-the-cuff" ruling because a particular Judge had nothing to base a ruling from, or one of those "urban legend" type rulings, that have been around so long, no one knows where it comes from, but it pops up just like Christmas every so often (Trap Hole can too be used on Jinzo!!! lol), and when it spreads around, it takes quite a bit of time and resources to debunk a ruling, that on gut instinct alone, many of us know to be wrong.
 
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My vote... as many of you should already know is...

No, End of Anubis does not negate Horus LV6, or any other self-tribute/send Ignition Effect for that matter.
 
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How about just the fact that the text has the word EXCEPT in it?

Can we get a sticky either here in the Rules forum, or in the General Discussion forum (Yugioh) 'defining' what a NOMI monster is? That way, we can politely refer questions such as this to that sticky?
 
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You know what might work. A series of posts with the definition of each phrase in a single thred. But the intitila post would have a link to each post in it. Thats they way I planned on doing the chapters in my "Fusion" story over in the writers forum.
 
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Well, I was thinking more along the lines of something that explained the difference between the "can only be Special Summoned by..." and the "cannot be Special Summoned except by..." monsters, but your idea would probably go over a little better anyway....

hey wait...didn't somebody already do that glossary thing?

<runs off to search the forums...>

I found this:
http://www.cogonline.net/threads.5402

It's a start....:rolleyes:
 
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isnt that what Tyloki's Yugioh Dictionary, over in Realms, does? Also, Im not sure that stickying NOMI will help unless some of those earlier text exceptions are specifically stated. Like, isn't Berserk Dragon a NOMI, even though its text is slightly different?
 
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squid said:
isnt that what Tyloki's Yugioh Dictionary, over in Realms, does? Also, Im not sure that stickying NOMI will help unless some of those earlier text exceptions are specifically stated. Like, isn't Berserk Dragon a NOMI, even though its text is slightly different?
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Yes, but hers is a bit on the large side, i was thinking something a little smaller.
 
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I mean really i don't see what the issue is concerning EoA, other than the erroneous ruling concerning Exiled Force.

The WMC (even though it is a Spell Card) uses the "send to the graveyard" mechanic as well, and recently Curtis said this: http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=5882

Which clearly illustrates that the effect activates and resolves "on the field" i see no reason why it would be any different for monsters.

The only mechanical differences lie in what the game views the type of activation as...

For example, you can't chain Barrel to WMC's effect activation, but you can chain it to Cannon Soldier's effect activation, because to the game it is considered "card activation".
 
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"The End of Anubis" problem was actually corrected a while ago.

"The End of Anubis" WILL NOT negate Ignition Effects unless it requires the monster to be in the Graveyard when the Ignition Effect is activated (such as "Amazoness Chain-Master").

3rd ruling on EoA.

Since you choose to activate the Ignition Effect of Horus while it's on the field, "The End of Anubis" won't negate it. Likewise, it won't negate Exiled Force since you activate its Ignition Effect while it's on the field.
 
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novastar said:
I mean really i don't see what the issue is concerning EoA, other than the erroneous ruling concerning Exiled Force.

The WMC (even though it is a Spell Card) uses the "send to the graveyard" mechanic as well, and recently Curtis said this: http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=5882

Which clearly illustrates that the effect activates and resolves "on the field" i see no reason why it would be any different for monsters.

The only mechanical differences lie in what the game views the type of activation as...

For example, you can't chain Barrel to WMC's effect activation, but you can chain it to Cannon Soldier's effect activation, because to the game it is considered "card activation".
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I'm trying to reason out Curtis' ruling and compare it to Exiled, but I cant seem to tie the two together.

If you activate WMC and Imperial Order or Spell Canceller is activated later, WMC has no effect when it is sent to the Graveyard because as Curtis said, it activates and resolves on the field. Tributing it bascially decides how much damage and when its to be inflicted. Sending it to the Graveyard with no effect means no damage.

Exiled activates on the field, and resolves in the Graveyard.
 
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