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Dr Kain said:
What do you mean be unsearchable?
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Gren Maju Da Eiza has an ATK and DEF of ?/?. These type of stats are considered unknows and are therfore unsearchable by card effects that would search your deck based on the ATK/DEF of a card. Meaning you cant go get it with Sangan or UFO Turtle.

For example Maju Garzett has an ATK of ?. The first listed ruling under Maju Garzett is:

You can't search for "Maju Garzett" with "Sangan" or "Mystic Tomato".

Swartzstrom said:
When Newdoria's effect activates, it must be destroyed and sent to the Graveyard as a result of battle, correct? The Damage Step comes calculations on how much damage either player receives and determines whether or not the monster goes to the Graveyard, does it not? So would it not be logical for the Damage Step to be over when Newdoria hits the Graveyard? At which time, Michizure's effect can, in fact be activated. Because Michizure's effect says that when a monster is sent from "...the Field to your Graveyard, select one monster on the Field and destroy it.", Damage Calculation should be over when that monsterhits the Graveyard, thus enabling Michizure's effect to be activated.
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Unfortunatly no. Your still in the Damage Step when a monster destroyed by battle is sent to the Graveyard. Damage Cacluation is only a portion of the Damage Step (Sub-Steps 3 and 4 to be exact) and the destroyed monster isn't sent to the Graveyard until Sub-Step 6 of the Damage Step.

This is why it doesn't see the play it would ordinarily. Think about it. If Michizure could be activated in the Damage Step, wouldn't Demetrius be running three of them? ;)

...if someone attacks me with, let's say, Mechanical Chaser, can they dump a couple of Limiter Removals on it from their hands during the Battle Phase?
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And since it specifical modifies ATK it could also be activated in the Damage Step. Of course, I'm a little fuzzy on whether it can be activted in the Damage Step from your hand on your turn. But then it is 4:41 am. Everything is a little fuzzy.


pssvr said:
Umm... No offense, sir, but with all due respect, how in this great globular world of ours would Michizure combo with Hole and Torrential? There would not even be a legal target.
-pssvr
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I've always thought of it as more ovoid. Huh? Oh, yeah! Michizure.

I refer you back to the article on Michizure:
However, it can only be activated if the very last event is a chainable one that sent the controller's monster to the Graveyard.
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Or are you asking why it would matter? Well, with all these monster immune to Spell Cards running around it works well with Dark Hole. A monster might be immune to non-targeting traps, so here we have someting to suppliment Torrential. But, come on, overly techy? Wouldn't a good definition for tech be "Just in case"? All techs have limited use, in my opinion.
 
What I meant with 'treated' as Traps, that in the Battlephase, you can't activate cards from your hand (neither the turn player, neither the other player). You must see it as, well, a neutral turn.
 
Digital Jedi said:
Gren Maju Da Eiza has an ATK and DEF of ?/?. These type of stats are considered unknows and are therfore unsearchable by card effects that would search your deck based on the ATK/DEF of a card. Meaning you cant go get it with Sangan or UFO Turtle.

For example Maju Garzett has an ATK of ?. The first listed ruling under Maju Garzett is:

You can't search for "Maju Garzett" with "Sangan" or "Mystic Tomato".
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I don't even use Sangan, UFO Turtle, and I'm certainly not using those stupid food cards. Thanks for the info though.
 
ChaosNecro said:
What I meant with 'treated' as Traps, that in the Battlephase, you can't activate cards from your hand (neither the turn player, neither the other player). You must see it as, well, a neutral turn.
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Quick-play spell cards can be activated from in hand during your own turn. During your draw phase, standby phase, main phases, battle phase, damage step (except for those that do not directly affect ATK/DEF), etc., etc.

There is no point (unless you have Anti-Spell Fragrance) where you would have to set a quick-play before activating it during your own turn. Setting a quick-play makes it usable during your opponent's turn (you can't play a quick-play from your hand during your opponent's turn).
 
Dr Kain said:
I don't even use Sangan, UFO Turtle, and I'm certainly not using those stupid food cards. Thanks for the info though.
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They were simply the first two searchers that came to mind that could actually be used with Gren Maju had it not been for its stats. There are other searchers that could potentially go get Gren Maju were it not for his/her unknown stats. Anthony was pointing its unsearchabilty out to show that its not going to get to the field as quickly as other monsters who are searchable.
 
Okay, somebody is going to give me a complete layout of the Turns and it's steps and sub-steps, with much more detail than the piece-of-crap handbook that comes with Structure Decks and the like.

On another small subject which hopefully won't be so widely discussed on: Can I upload a Custom Avatar? Or is it forbidden? 'Cause I certainly can't find it.
 
Yeah, I was going to post that link as well. The article also has a link to the Official Judges List where Kevin Tewart laid out the Damage Step Chart for us in less detail then Helpoemer316's.
 
Honestly that is what I was looking for, but this one answered the question MUCH BETTER.... and i could not find the other one first.... lol.....
 
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