The removed from play pile

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miiaah

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Does a player have to show their removed from play pile ?
Do cards removed from play face-down, or removed temporarily go to the removed from play pile or in "another" removed from play zone ?
 
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RemoveFromPlay pile is public knowledge, so it is face-up.

The only 2 cards that I know of the removes cards and is placed face-down is Lightforce Swords and Different Dimension Capsule, and should be placed face-down next to the RFP pile that is face-up.

Anything else removed from play is then placed face-up in the pile.
 
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Removed-from-Play is NOT public knowlege, except for the number of cards.

RFP is like the field: some cards can be face-up, some can be face-down, but the default is face-up. Just like the default special-summon is face-up.
 
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Raijinili said:
Removed-from-Play is NOT public knowlege, except for the number of cards.

RFP is like the field: some cards can be face-up, some can be face-down, but the default is face-up. Just like the default special-summon is face-up.
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Last I heard RFP was public knowledge. Do you have a ruling to back that up?

Just like the graveyard is public except in certain situations (like when "Question" is in play), the RFP is public except in certain situations, like Strike Ninja elaborated on above.

But if you have a source that says it isn't public, I'd be happy to change my stance on the matter.
 
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RFP is public knowledge unless a card was RFP face-down (and only that card is not public). The very nature of cards being face-up makes them public knowledge.
 
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I believe raijinili was pointing out that jsut because a card is removed from the game doesn't make it public knowledge/

Also i don't believe that there is officially a "pile." That cards removed from play jsut need to be placed outside the dueling field. Face-up cards are public knowledge, no matter where they are, face-down cards are not.

But at any rate it jsut comes down to an argument about semantics, raijinli's post is not wrong, it's jsut a difference in how its said.
 
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Im relatively positive removed from play cards are still public knowledge as long as they were removed "face-up", otherwise, you could not verify that your opponent actually DID remove a light and dark to special summon a chaos monster, or an earth type when summoning 2 Gigantes (as an example).

As another example, I have a misprinted Goblin Attack Force. The Earth Attribute has been replaced with the "Star" symbol used to show monster level.

If you did not know that GAF was an Earth-type, and only had a glance at the symbol, it would look like I removed a "Fire" attribute for Gigantes. As game play progresses (and my opponent is slightly forgetful), maybe they would like to verify that indeed GAF is not "Fire" and that it just looks different. Would that then mean that regardless of his confusion, my removed from play is no longer questionable?
 
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jdos said:
Last I heard RFP was public knowledge. Do you have a ruling to back that up?

Just like the graveyard is public except in certain situations (like when "Question" is in play), the RFP is public except in certain situations, like Strike Ninja elaborated on above.

But if you have a source that says it isn't public, I'd be happy to change my stance on the matter.
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You say that it's public knowledge except for face-down cards.

I say it's not public knowledge except the number of cards, and the face-up cards are public knowledge anyway because they are face-up, but the RFP cards are not automatically public knowledge.

WE MUST FIGHT TO THE DEATH OVER THIS!
 
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I think that they have the right to see what you are removing from play to make sure it is legal, but after that it should not matter. BUT, what about Ret. From Diff. Dimension..... ??? you use it, and at the end of the turn the opponent wants to take a look to make sure you removed all of the monsters / the correct monsters from play that were supposed to go... that is public knowledge....

NOW, if something is removed face down. And it is specifically removed FACE DOWn.... i think it is kept face down. So Face up is public knowledge, and face down is just that, face down. But that doesnt mean place them face down outta play just so that your opponent cant look...... ok, im done .. before i start confusing myself with incessant rambling
 
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Raijinili said:
You say that it's public knowledge except for face-down cards.

I say it's not public knowledge except the number of cards, and the face-up cards are public knowledge anyway because they are face-up, but the RFP cards are not automatically public knowledge.

WE MUST FIGHT TO THE DEATH OVER THIS!
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You're gonna have to get in line with DaGuyWitBlueGlasses as far as fighting to the death. (Just kidding DaGuy...I'm enjoying our scaling debate quite a bit :) ) But now that you've elaborated on what you meant, I agree with you, they're not automatically public knowledge.
 
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Let's sell tickets and arrange for a cage-match. We could make millions and buy Konami and then make our own cards.

I think that if you remove monsters, you have to show them what you're removing, because the Graveyard is public knowledge, in the case of the funky GAF.
 
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