threatening roar

[mikoal]

wow i guess i wasnt checking up on ude regularly

THREATENING ROAR
You can activate "Threatening Roar" in response to an attack, but the attack has already been declared so it will resolve normally. After that, your opponent cannot attack for the rest of the turn.

You cannot activate "Threatening Roar" during your own turn.


last time i thought u can only activate roar during main phases.......

so to totally seal an opponent from atking, using TR during the end of main phase 1 would be good, but now if lets say an opp atks with cyber dragon, then uses CotH to bring Zaborg out, you can chain TR?? to stop zaborg from atking?


also i know TR and waboku has its advantages and disadvantages, but whihc one do u guys thiunk is better??

TR protects monsters from ddwl, drillroid, mystic swordsman
but are vulnerable to "declare an atk, then use, BoM, enemy controller, ring of destruction, etc.....

whereas wab, can protect lifepoints, but not necessarily monsters, and can be used offensively, or like a sakuretsu when an equal atking monster comes ramming.

so what are ur thoughts?

 

[densetsu_x]

Yes you can activate Threatening Roar in your Battle Phase. And yes, you can chain it to Call of the Haunted to prevent that monster (and any others that hadn't yet) from attacking. Also, if you wanted to "maximize" it's potential, you can activate it in the Start Step of the Battle Phase when the Turn Player is somewhat committed.

As for which is better? Personal taste and situation, though Threatening Roar prevention of attacks is probably more useful than Waboku's offensive ability, but again, all situational.

 

[Digital Jedi]

wow i guess i wasnt checking up on ude regularly

THREATENING ROAR
You can activate "Threatening Roar" in response to an attack, but the attack has already been declared so it will resolve normally. After that, your opponent cannot attack for the rest of the turn.

You cannot activate "Threatening Roar" during your own turn.

That particular ruling has been up since the release of the rulings for FET, the set Threatening Roar is in.

last time i thought u can only activate roar during main phases.......

Threatening Roar says nothing about that in it it's text. All it says is "Your opponent cannot declare an attack this turn."

Without any kind of restrictive text, then any Normal Trap can be activated during any phase of a given turn (sans the Damage Step). That's the way Spell Speed 2 cards work.

The only restriction implied by Threatening Roar's text is the turn it can be activated on, but not the phase. You can activate it during your opponent's Draw Phase, Standby Phase, Main Phase, Battle Phase, even his End Phase for all the good it do.

so to totally seal an opponent from atking, using TR during the end of main phase 1 would be good, but now if lets say an opp atks with cyber dragon, then uses CotH to bring Zaborg out, you can chain TR?? to stop zaborg from atking?

Re-read that particular ruling. Other then the fact that you can't chain to an attack, you can respond to it with Threatening Roar. But Threatening Roar only prevent attack declaration for the turn. If you wait for your opponent to declare his attack, what good is Threatening Roar going to do against an attack that's already been declared? You already in the midst of an attack now. The declaration has already been made. You'll prevent any further attack declarations, but the attack already in progress is too little, too late.

also i know TR and waboku has its advantages and disadvantages, but whihc one do u guys thiunk is better??

TR protects monsters from ddwl, drillroid, mystic swordsman
but are vulnerable to "declare an atk, then use, BoM, enemy controller, ring of destruction, etc.....

whereas wab, can protect lifepoints, but not necessarily monsters, and can be used offensively, or like a sakuretsu when an equal atking monster comes ramming.

so what are ur thoughts?

Neither is better nor worse then the other. Each one functions differently then the other and gives you options that the other does not. It all depends on what your trying to do.

 

[cuzwbd]

threatening roar is probably more useful - but waboku is way more fun
activate waboku , then tribute for jinzo and attack your opponents monarch and watch the fun begin!

 

[roadhouse007]

I actually got some guy at a regional for this. He activated threatening roar against my spirit reapers attack with a mystic tomato out also. I had to call a judge over (then he appealed to HJ) to confirm (because he disagreed with me, I knew what was right) that the spirit reaper went through, but I could not attack with tomato. Then he tried to take back the activation of threatening roar and I had to call the judge back over to explain to him it was properly activated and had been used.

 

[EmeraldDragon]

Yeah if he had any sense he would have said that he was planning on activating when entering the battle phase but wasnt given the chance due to you announcing the attack before agreeing to the phase change.

 

[Dr Sin]

As EmeraldDragon started to point, many times, you are not given the proper opportunity to activate T Roar. 99% of the players don't declare: I want to proceed to Battle Phase, do you want to activate some cards or effect?
Or enters the BP and declares: "okay, I'm done with Start Step, do you...". But it's a good thing, since the game would be too slow if all the times you asked your opponent.
But if you are in Main Phase and all of a sudden declares an attack (which will not affect the game most of times) you have to know that your opponent can say: "wait, I wanted to activate TR still in your MP1 or in the start step", for example, and you have to accept this "game rewind", because you didn't declare your intentions.
If you call the judge and say: "But I had already declared the attack" in the above situation you are a cheater!!

 

[mikoal]

yay cheaters!

 

[roadhouse007]

No, I knew he was running threatening roar because I used Mobius on one earlier in the game. So I was stating "enter battle phase". After the incident I kind of egged it on though. Like "Enter battle phase, you sure that's ok? Don't want to activate anything?".

I sometimes get a little jerky with people who try to bend the rules for themselves even though they know better. And before anyone says anything about that statement, this guy tends to go undefeated in swiss and lose first match of top 8 in almost (mind you I said almost) every STL regional. He has been being accused of being a cheater by many players. He's even been kicked out of one store for causing problems which originated from a game.

And for the record, also, the 'cheater' who says "but I already attacked" is not a true cheater, but an opportunist. That can be worse than actual cheating sometimes though. A smart opponent placed in this situation would turn it around by simply stating something like "He didn't declare entering battle phase, so don't I get a chance to use it then?" And it would be allowed.

 

[Dr Sin]

After I posted I feared you would understand that I was refering to you... I hope you didn't take this way roadhouse007 (it seems that you didn't, but in any case...), because I swear that I was not.
I was only trying to say exactly what you said: there are a lot of opportunists, but this kind of attitude is quite as bad as cheat (draw extra cards, mark cards etc), because this kind of person knows the rule and try to abuse it (as you already stated too).
I was only refering to many experiences I had, with people that knew the rule but tried to abuse the "I had already declared the attack" or with a face-up Mirage Dragon "I was already in the BP".

 

[exiledforcefreak]

reasons threating roar is better

-waboku your opponent can attack with one monster then use ninja grandmaster sasuke to attack it again... and destroy it.
-same with drillroid.
-monsters like des lacooda or medusa worm aren't helped by waboku.

reasons waboku is better

-you can activate waboku in response to an attack and still get the full benefit of it's effect. Because of this, your opponent's monster is stuck in attack mode... since it attacked it lost it's once per turn position shift. This allows you to attack back on your next turn for a llittle extra damage.

Personal opinion: threatening roar>waboku