?Time Ruling?

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luffy

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There is 1 part in Yu-Gi-Oh! where I see no one mentioning about. That's the time ruling.

Take for an example, Peten The Dark Clown. If it is tributed, you don't get the effect because it is not the so-called "last thing that happened".

Another example would be Archfiend Of Gilfar. Its effect cannot be activated when you discard it during Magic Jammer as once again it is not "the last thing that happened". The last thing that happened is Magic Jammer negates the magic effect. However, you can use Painful Choice and drop it into grave. That would be the "last thing that happened".

I have a question on this. Does this happens ALL the time to ALL legal cards? Such as Night Assassin?
 
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This only happens with cards that have optional effects (right now I think "Archfiend of Gilfer" and "Peten the Dark Clown" are the only ones).

The effect of "Night Assailant" is triggered once it is sent from the hand to the graveyard, but it doesn't resolve until after the current chain resolves.
 
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Peten the Dark Clown
Dark/Spellcaster/3/500/1200
When this card is sent to your Graveyard, you can remove this card from the Graveyard to Special Summon 1 "Peten the Dark Clown" from your hand or Deck.

Archfiend of Gilfer
Dark/Fiend/6/2200/2500
When this card is sent to the Graveyard, you can activate its effect. You can then equip it to a monster on the field, and this card will be treated as an Equip Spell Card that decreases the ATK of the equipped monster by 500 points.

Night Assailant
Dark/Fiend/3/200/500
FLIP: Select 1 monster on your opponent's side of the field and destroy it. When this card is sent directly from your hand to the Graveyard, return 1 Flip Effect Monster from your Graveyard to your hand.

As you can see, if "Night Assailant" was an optional effect, it would say, "...you can return..."

I hope you get it now  :wink:
 
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Ok... So when do I apply the Time Ruling? Only on optional effect monsters?

Now here's a situation:

Player 1: Uses Dimension Magic(You can activate this card if you have a face-up Magic User Sub-
Type Monster on your Field. Sacrifice 1 Monster on your Field,
and Special Summon 1 Magic User Sub-Type Monster from your hand.
Afterward, you can destroy 1 Monster on the Field.) and tributes his face-up Spellcaster. He then summons a Dark Magician Of Chaos.

Here's a question. Using the time ruling, player 1 is not supposed to grab a magic card because the last that happen was not the monster summon to the field if he chooses to destroy a monster on the field. On the other hand, if he wants to grab a magic card due to the effect of DMC, he is not allowed to use Dimension Magic's second ability. Am I right?
 
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Maybe. Again, you're referencing a card that's not out in the US, so without knowing the exact wording, it's hard to say exactly. If the breakdown of the card is similar to "Last Turn" (where it's considered "resolved" in the middle of the text), then yes you could grab a spell card by the effect of DMoC. Then again, even DMoC has some inconsistancies with its ruling so this isn't the best example to try to make a case on.

- A
 
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Michizure is another one of the cards with a timing issue. Your first clue is WHEN.....yes WHEN

What you say?
Who's on first?
No, What's on second
Who is playing left field!

Seriously, if the card says, "When this monster is destroyed...." or "When a monster is destroyed...." you'd best check the rulings. It may very well have a timing issue.
 
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Dimension Magic and DMoC are 2 cards that I am not sure about. However, Dimension Magic is not out in th US right now. In fact it only came out in Yugi Structure Deck 2 and not in any promotional nor booster packs. According to the above text(hope its official), how should I play it?
 
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This quote from the netreps should clear it up for you:

When you Normal Summon or Special Summon "Dark Magician of Chaos", resolve all other effects in the current chain, then "Dark Magician of Chaos"' effect activates in a new chain as Step 1.
 
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Oh.. Ok. So this will be a re-confirmation. DMoC begins the chain and if I decides to destroy another monster due to Dimension Magic's effect, it would become chain number 2. According to the time ruling, if I activate chain number 2, DMoC will not be able to activate its effect because of DMoC "optional" effect. If I activate DMoC's effect, Dimension Magic's second ability will not be activated due to the fact that it is also an "optional" effect.
 
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Oh... Ok, I hope this card is release quickly in the US, so I can get my ruling understood before the fellow duelist arounds me make "noise". Also, can you quote me an example where the same event happens?
 
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Envoy of toilet said:
This quote from the netreps should clear it up for you:

When you Normal Summon or Special Summon "Dark Magician of Chaos", resolve all other effects in the current chain, then "Dark Magician of Chaos"' effect activates in a new chain as Step 1.
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Are you sure about DMoC.  I could of swore that he fell into this catagory unless they changed it.  I remember reading an old post on the judges forum about it.  I post it if I can find it.

EDIT: Here is the ruling I was talking about.

Dark Magician of Chaos states on the card that its effect of returning
a spell card to my hand is optional ("you can...") - so why is it that
I am allowed to activate DMoC's effect after the chain ends as the
first step in a new chain even though it is an optional effect like
Peten's, but I am not allowed to activate Peten's effect as the first
step in a new chain like I can with DMoC? There is a rather large
inconsistency here and I am very confused.

Thank you -

Jeff "Mop" Piroozshad
Level 1 Judge
Coral Springs, FL



Answer:


You know what? You'd be right.

At the time we thought "Dark Magician of Chaos" worked this way. What would have
made us think otherwise?

But we know more now than we did then. (C'mon, it was April...)


So...

If "Dark Magician of Chaos" is Special Summoned to the field during the middle
of a chain, its effect cannot be activated. (Due to it being an Optional
Trigger)


Scenario 1:
For Example, I have a Set Call of the Haunted. My opponent activates "Mystical
Space Typhoon" and targets the Set "Call of the Haunted." I activate it in
response and choose to Special Summon "Dark Magician of Chaos," thinking that I
have a Pot of Greed in my Graveyard I would like back.

But I won't be getting it back. Since "Dark Magician of Chaos" is Special
Summoned during the middle of the chain's resolution I will not be able to
activate its effect and will miss the timing.


Scenario 2:

This time, it is my turn and I activate my Set "Call of the Haunted," targeting
my "Dark Magician of Chaos." My opponent activates their "Mystical Space
Typhoon" in response and targets the "Call of the Haunted." I then respond with
"Curse of Royal" to negate the "Mystical Space Typhoon."

Now, when this chain resolves I will not miss the timing, because the last thing
that will resolve in this chain is the Special Summon of my "Dark Magician of
Chaos."
 
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luffy said:
Oh.. Ok. So this will be a re-confirmation. DMoC begins the chain and if I decides to destroy another monster due to Dimension Magic's effect, it would become chain number 2. According to the time ruling, if I activate chain number 2, DMoC will not be able to activate its effect because of DMoC "optional" effect. If I activate DMoC's effect, Dimension Magic's second ability will not be activated due to the fact that it is also an "optional" effect.
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Erm... I tink its is not the activation of destroying another monster that denies DMoC's effect from being used... It is the chaining of Dimension magic to another magic or trap that denies it cause DMoC's effect is so called "Stuck in between chains"

Senario:
Player A activates card destruction
Player B chains with Dimension Magic

Resoultion:
Player B gets to activate Dimension magic first thus bringing out DMoC...
Player A's Card destruction kicks in directly after Player B brought out DMoC

Thus i tink that DMoC's optional effect is stuck in between Dimension magic and Card Destruction therefore the effect cannot take place....
 
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