timing w/sak
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He can still activate it. Now had you done this.
I declare my attack, do you respond? Opponent does not. Then you say, I enter the Battle Step and use Enemy Controller then he would have missed the timing.
ALSO to be more precise, I am not sure what you described would be legal to begin with. You have priority when you declare your attack first. If you did not activate Enemy Controller and expected your opponent to do something and they did not, you would have both passed and gone right to Battle Step.
I declare my attack, do you respond? Opponent does not. Then you say, I enter the Battle Step and use Enemy Controller then he would have missed the timing.
ALSO to be more precise, I am not sure what you described would be legal to begin with. You have priority when you declare your attack first. If you did not activate Enemy Controller and expected your opponent to do something and they did not, you would have both passed and gone right to Battle Step.
See this is the thing most people do not realize when dueling. Let me put up a scenario.
Player A: Declares attack with Water Dragon.
Player B: Activates Sakuretsu Armor.
Player A: Chains Seven Tools of the Bandit.
Chain Link resolves and Sakuretsu Armor is negated and destroyed. Next Player A moves onto the Battle Step. At this point he/she does not retain priority if they decided they were not activating anything, so Player B activates Enemy Controller and switches Water Dragon to Defense Position. No Damage Step occurs and that battle is over, assuming it goes all to plan.
There are basically 3 steps when it concerns battle. The declaration (which is basically saying you want to fight someone, you point your finger to some guy on the street and yell I want to fight you), the battle step (which is basically you two throwing your punch in the air at each other before hitting), and then the damage step (which is of course the actual hit).
Player A: Declares attack with Water Dragon.
Player B: Activates Sakuretsu Armor.
Player A: Chains Seven Tools of the Bandit.
Chain Link resolves and Sakuretsu Armor is negated and destroyed. Next Player A moves onto the Battle Step. At this point he/she does not retain priority if they decided they were not activating anything, so Player B activates Enemy Controller and switches Water Dragon to Defense Position. No Damage Step occurs and that battle is over, assuming it goes all to plan.
There are basically 3 steps when it concerns battle. The declaration (which is basically saying you want to fight someone, you point your finger to some guy on the street and yell I want to fight you), the battle step (which is basically you two throwing your punch in the air at each other before hitting), and then the damage step (which is of course the actual hit).
Well, I am not sure it is accurate to call it a step. It is more important to keep in mind the difference between declaring an attack and about to begin the attack. Like there is a card that can only be activated during the Battle Step. Bakura on the show uses it.
I don't know what you're referring to, Tiso, but the Battle Phase is not divided anything like that. The Battle Step of the Battle Phase consists of declaring an attack by selecting an attack monster and a target. After that, it goes straight to the Damage Step where damage is determined/monsters are destroyed/effects activate/destroyed monsters go to the Graveyard.
In the question asked, if you declare an attack and your opponent does nothing, then YOU activate a card in response to the attack, the opponent is well within his rights to chain a card that can only be activated when an attack is declared because that is the still last event to have happened.
The turn player cannot declare an attack, wait for a response, then go to the Damage Step and activate a Spell Speed 2 card. Only cards that alter ATK/DEF and Counter Traps (mostly) can be activated in the Damage Step, so the only option is that the turn player is activating a card in response to the attack and the opponent is able to chain any card that can be activated in response to an attack.
In the question asked, if you declare an attack and your opponent does nothing, then YOU activate a card in response to the attack, the opponent is well within his rights to chain a card that can only be activated when an attack is declared because that is the still last event to have happened.
The turn player cannot declare an attack, wait for a response, then go to the Damage Step and activate a Spell Speed 2 card. Only cards that alter ATK/DEF and Counter Traps (mostly) can be activated in the Damage Step, so the only option is that the turn player is activating a card in response to the attack and the opponent is able to chain any card that can be activated in response to an attack.
DaGuyWitBluGlasses
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Tiso said:
The attack declaration is performed in the battle step. It is in the rulebook.
There are Start Step, Battle Step, Damage Step, and End Step, that is all.
DaGuyWitBluGlasses
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Tiso said:
It says waht exactly?
I see attacks and response activation grouped together the same way summons and response activation are grouped together. If anything it's saying that the attack and reponse are 'together' i.e. in the same step.
We don't have to enter a new phase to start a summon.
Not to mention, changing steps, is an event in itself. You can NOT respond to something that happened in the past step.
I am not talking about the summon. Did you read the OK and ILLEGAL examples when to declare an attack?
There is the step of declaring an attack, then once get past that, you go to the Battle Step, hence is why in that example after Trap Jammer resolved, P2 was able to Book of Moon the monster.
There is the step of declaring an attack, then once get past that, you go to the Battle Step, hence is why in that example after Trap Jammer resolved, P2 was able to Book of Moon the monster.
DaGuyWitBluGlasses
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Tiso said:
maybe you better try quoting, because i'm absolutely certain its saying nothing of the sort.
All it says is that the attack declaration happens before the response chains.
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [Example 1] of an OK play.
P1 attacks with "Gemini Elf".
P2 activates "Sakuretsu Armor".
P1 chains "Royal Decree".
P2 chains "Mirror Force".
[Example 2] of an OK play.
P1 attacks with "Gemini Elf".
P2 activates "Sakuretsu Armor".
P1 activates "Trap Jammer".
Chain resolves.
P2 activates "Book of Moon" targeting "Gemini Elf".
[Example 1] of an ILLEGAL play.
P1 attacks with "Gemini Elf".
P2 activates "Sakuretsu Armor".
P1 activates "Trap Jammer".
Chain resolves.
P2 cannot activate "Mirror Force" now.
Now can anyone explain to class why Mirror Force would now be impossible to activate by P2 but he/she can still activate Book of Moon after a Counter Trap resolved? Rest my case.
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P1 attacks with "Gemini Elf".
P2 activates "Sakuretsu Armor".
P1 chains "Royal Decree".
P2 chains "Mirror Force".
[Example 2] of an OK play.
P1 attacks with "Gemini Elf".
P2 activates "Sakuretsu Armor".
P1 activates "Trap Jammer".
Chain resolves.
P2 activates "Book of Moon" targeting "Gemini Elf".
[Example 1] of an ILLEGAL play.
P1 attacks with "Gemini Elf".
P2 activates "Sakuretsu Armor".
P1 activates "Trap Jammer".
Chain resolves.
P2 cannot activate "Mirror Force" now.
Now can anyone explain to class why Mirror Force would now be impossible to activate by P2 but he/she can still activate Book of Moon after a Counter Trap resolved? Rest my case.
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No they are not. And I'm unclear as to how the examples you provided apply to this statement.Tiso said:
That's from the current Rule Book on page 25.
Because only once the first chain resolved, cards with attack response timing can no longer be activated within that same Batle Step, like the posts says. I don't really see what your getting at.
DaGuyWitBluGlasses
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You never had a case in the first place.
Mirror Force MUST be activated in response to an attack. The same way Trap Hole must be activated in response to a summon.
It has absolutely nothing to do with Steps.
Book of moon is being activated in the same step as Mirror Force is.
Mirror Force is activated in the Battle Step, the attack is declared in the Battle Step, Book of Moon is activated in the Battle step in that case, it's all the same Step.
Mirror Force MUST be activated in response to an attack. The same way Trap Hole must be activated in response to a summon.
It has absolutely nothing to do with Steps.
Book of moon is being activated in the same step as Mirror Force is.
Mirror Force is activated in the Battle Step, the attack is declared in the Battle Step, Book of Moon is activated in the Battle step in that case, it's all the same Step.
Digital is this just assumption or does the rule book go into depth that this only applies "declaration type of cards?" If this is just the same battle step (declaring an attack) then how exactly would explain the above scenario when P2 was able to use Book of Moon? Here is an example, replace Sakuretsu Armor with Enemy Controller and have the monster go to Defense Position. You use Magic Jammer. Etc, etc. Now your opponent uses Book of Moon.
Not to mention what was laid out in the latest video game contradicts what you posted about the battle step to begin with and given the fact we have (player attacking) has priority how do you jump from declaring an attack, not wanting priority and your opponent passes to going into the damage step? Even more importantly, the reason I am more convinced that declaring an attack and battle step itself, while in the same current state of the attack are 2 completely different things. That Trap Card Bakura uses would be proof of that. It clearly states "You can only activate this in the Battle Step."
Not to mention what was laid out in the latest video game contradicts what you posted about the battle step to begin with and given the fact we have (player attacking) has priority how do you jump from declaring an attack, not wanting priority and your opponent passes to going into the damage step? Even more importantly, the reason I am more convinced that declaring an attack and battle step itself, while in the same current state of the attack are 2 completely different things. That Trap Card Bakura uses would be proof of that. It clearly states "You can only activate this in the Battle Step."
DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
You might want to correct that because Book of Moon is being activated in the same step as Mirror Force? If that was the case clearly Mirror Force would have been activated after Trap Jammer resolves since it is clearly happening in the same step.
I am so totally lost on to what exactly your trying to say. The whole point of the message is to show that multiple chains can occur in the Battle Step. But ony the first is in response to the attack. With that knowledge, why wouldn't yo be able to activate Book of Moon but not Mirror Force? That's very clear from the message.