Torrential Tribute

Oskar Darktide

Oskar Darktide

YGO! addict turned WoW addict
Ok then, if I summon and my opponent were to play a card, could I then play Torrential Tribute? I've looked around and haven't found anything. I know that Bottomless Trap Hole must be played to the summoning of the monster, but I haven't seen anything saying this about Torrential Tribute.
 
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daivahataka said:
Think it is a case that you only have priority to activate the effect of a card which is already on the field immediately after you summon though since:
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Well, Pot of Greed is reaching a bit far. First, it's a Spell Speed 1, which means that it can't respond to anything at all, and second, it's not like it even "relates" to anything you would associate with a card being summoned.

Activating Torrential Tribute is more along the lines of acceptable response to Priority than Pot of Greed.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
Well, Pot of Greed is reaching a bit far. First, it's a Spell Speed 1, which means that it can't respond to anything at all, and second, it's not like it even "relates" to anything you would associate with a card being summoned.

Activating Torrential Tribute is more along the lines of acceptable response to Priority than Pot of Greed.
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You can't put it down to spell speed since many of the monster effects which you can use your priority with are spell speed 1 aswell (e.g. TIV), I know monsters and spells have different rules but I don't think that aspect applies here, and in the same sense many of those effects don't relate to the summoning of a monster.
 
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I like to think of it this way. When you opponet plays a monster, you get two chance to respond to the summoning. The first is to negate the summon of the monster, in which case, there is nothing left to respond to (expect the card used to negate the summon of the monster itself). This is because if you negate the summoning of a monster, then it never actually made it to the field (this is why you can use traps to negate the summoning of Jinzo). After that (and if you not sure, you should ask you opponet if they wish to negate the summoning of the monster) the monster is then summoned, and the turn player can use poriety to activate Traps such as Torrential Tribute. If the turn player does something else instead, or passes proiety to the non-turn player, then the turn player has missed their chance to activate Torrential Tribute (at least until the next summon). Hope this helps.
 
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Well, no. The turn player doesn't miss his oppontunity to respond to his own summon even if he passes his own Priority until the opponent decides to pass it back. If the opponent decides to do nothing, then yes, the turn player missed the chance to activate TT at that time. But say the opponent decides to activate BTH at that point. The timing is still correct for the turn player to TT the field instead because you are still at that "Responding to Summon" state of the game.
 
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It would seem to me that at some point, that monster has GOT to be summoned if both players passed on a response.

I mean, if I play Draining Shield after my opponent attacks me directly with Black Luster Soldier, and my opponent doesnt respond, and I don't chain to the first Draining Shield, then the chain resolves. Wouldnt it then be too late to activate another Draining Shield?

I dont see why it would be any different in this situation. A monster passed on twice should be summoned and now you have to respond with cards that normally affect monsters that are face-up on the field, like Gravity Bind, Zero Gravity, Offerings to the Doomed, etc....
 
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Torrential Tribute

Card Text:

You can only activate this card when a monster is Normal Summoned, Flip Summoned or Special Summoned. Destroy all monsters on the field.

Situation:

Jack has a Torrential Tribute set from a previous turn.

It's Jack's turn and he summons Sinister Serpent.

Jack asks Bill if he has a response to his summon of Sinister Serpent.

Bill replies, "No response"

Jack activates his Torrential Tribute.


The last fact to occur was that Sinister Serpent was summoned. No other chain has begun, nothing else was summoned. The timing is still correct.
 
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John Danker said:
Torrential Tribute

Card Text:

You can only activate this card when a monster is Normal Summoned, Flip Summoned or Special Summoned. Destroy all monsters on the field.

Situation:

Jack has a Torrential Tribute set from a previous turn.

It's Jack's turn and he summons Sinister Serpent.

Jack asks Bill if he has a response to his summon of Sinister Serpent.

Bill replies, "No response"

Jack activates his Torrential Tribute.


The last fact to occur was that Sinister Serpent was summoned. No other chain has begun, nothing else was summoned. The timing is still correct.
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That actually seems a lot different than how it sounded at first. I would say that is legal.

Passing twice to me would be where the opponent did not respond and you chose not to respond AGAIN.
 
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See, here's the point of disagreement.

For Jack to have asked Bill if he wants to respond, he has implicitly already passed his chance to respond since he had priority. I still go with the notion that once both players pass that chance to "respond", that window passed.
 
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densetsu_x said:
See, here's the point of disagreement.

For Jack to have asked Bill if he wants to respond, he has implicitly already passed his chance to respond since he had priority. I still go with the notion that once both players pass that chance to "respond", that window passed.
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Why? What's changed? What was the last thing to happen? The summon of the monster. A passing of priority is not an action, it's not a card played, it's not a chain begun or resolved.
 
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The whole argument comes down to if your "summon" is the moment of Priority (along with the effect, if the monster has one), or if you also can use priority with effects that are already present once you have summoned, as well.

Your opponent is supposed to get the chance to respond to the summon, but how can he if you are going to Torrential Tribute him yourself??

You get the first opportunity in starting a chain as the turn player, but it seems a little unfair when you get to summon a monster, activate a trap card in response, then also be able to be chain link 1 in any chain started.

What do we need an opponent for again??? lol
 
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No it's a state. But here's how I'm also looking at it. Take the 4 cards from RDS that said when this card is summoned, no traps can be activated (with the ruling meaning in response to the summon).

That is telling me that there is a state of the game when both players have the right to respond to said summon. If neither player decides not to do anything, I see that window as closed (like the "Last Will" debate that's going on... you have that 1 window to do something and if you don't take it, you miss it, at least according to the letter Ian sent and with me not being able to find the Curtis e-mail yet, I'll defer to that for now since it's how I thought "Last Will" was played in the first place). Same thing here, you both get that 1 crack at the apple. Both players passing implictly means you're both moving on.
 
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How are we explaining the Bottomless Trap Hole ruling away?


"This card can only be activated when the last thing that resolved in the Duel was the opponent Normal/Flip/Special Summoning a monster(s). It cannot be activated at any other time."

Not only can we pass priority but another card can be activated in between the summon and Bottomless Trap Hole can STILL be activated in repsonse to the summon.

Lets look at the card text for Bottomless Trap Hole and Torrential Tribute.

Bottomless Trap Hole

Card Text:

When your opponent Normal Summons, Flip Summons, or Special Summons a monster(s) with an ATK of 1500 or more, the monster(s) is destroyed and removed from play.


Torrential Tribute

Card Text:

You can only activate this card when a monster is Normal Summoned, Flip Summoned or Special Summoned. Destroy all monsters on the field
 
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Didn't Kevin himself (forgive me if I'm wrong Kevin..;)) say the following is a valid sequence of events?:

Player A has a set "Torrential Tribute" from a previous turn.
Player B has 1 or more monsters on the field. It's Player A's turn.
Player A summons a monster, passes on priority to wait and see if Player B will respond to the summon. Player B passes, so Player A now activates his set "Torrential" and destroys all monsters on the field.

I know this debate has happened in the past, but is this not a valid play?
 
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I thought certain that had been answered myself. I couldn't find reference to it though when I did my searches <shrug> I'm sure if it has been answered that will be pointed out to me in response to my judge list post though.
 
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John Danker said:
I thought certain that had been answered myself. I couldn't find reference to it though when I did my searches <shrug> I'm sure if it has been answered that will be pointed out to me in response to my judge list post though.
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I'd swear it was quoted in the other thread as well. I can't find it either.
 
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