Trap Vs Trap

[Unregistered]

I Really like to know about these two cards i have had a lot of qustions on this since i first played these




1 blast with chain
(effect: After actvation, this card is treated as a equiped magic card.Select 1 monster you control and equip it with this card to increase the ATC of the selecte monster by 500 points.When this card is destroyed by the effect of another card. Select 1 card on the field and destroy it.)


....can i destroy blast with chain with my own cards


...does blast with chain have to be actvated to use the effect of destroying a card


...ok say i actvate blast with chain what does my opponet have to actvate on it to negate the actvation 7 tools or magic jammer (or the hole effect)

......ok say i actvate blast with chain and my oppoint actvates 7 tolls/magic jammer is the effect of destroying a card negated

the reasion i ask the qustion is (1) when you actvate a 7 tools/ it only negates the actvation it nevers says negate the effect only actvaton and the only reason it negates other cards effect is because they have to be actvaded in order to use the effect wich leads me to qustion (2) if blast with chain does not have to be actvated first in order to use the effect than 7 tools will not negate the effect just the actvation RIGHT


no this leads to a new card qustion

7 tools of the bandiet


...will 7 tools negate the cost of another 7 tools

...does 7 tools negat the actvation of a card or the hole effect of the card even if it does not have to be actvated for the effect like blast with chain (IF BLAST WITH CHAIN DOES NOT HAVE TO BE ACTVATED)

the reasion i ask this is because 7 tolls says negate the actvation not the effect and like i said before most cards have to be actvatd first before the effect can take place

also i think this because you have to flip over and actvate 7 tools before you pay the cost and if anothe 7 tools is actvated it should negate the cost because BECAUSE you are negating the actvation, also because you got to actvate 7 tools before you pay that is why other cards say pay first then actvate, 7 tolls does not



i would reall like a in deth dessucion on thes two because it hurts to think about it on the way 7 tool works and i never hear the offical rulings on this and ia am getting comfused just tiping about frogot half of what i wanted to say and i hope they chand it in my favor on both if i am wrong because it all makes since

i just need help with this i will be able to discuse this when i get a reply

 

[Dlanaan]

Please do not post in the Official Judge's List forum. That forum is just for posts that are taken directly from the Official Judge's List.

To answer your questions:
1. As long as Blast with Chain is destroyed by an effect, regardless of who activated it, it will trigger. It must be an Equip Spell Card before being destroyed to trigger. It's activation would be negated by Seven Tools of the Bandit. If allowed to resolve the ATK increase would be negated by an effect like that of Imperial Order (and Jinzo and Royal Decree would not work on it at that point.) If its activation is negated, its destruction effect will not trigger because it was not an Equip Spell Card when it occurred.

2. Costs are never negated. If one player plays Seven Tools of the Bandit, they pay 1000 Life Points to turn it face up. This is not refunded if that card is negated. If the activation of a card is negated, any effect it would have had does not activate (as long as the effect activates in the field).

 

[lzy3]

Ok i'm not very sure about this , but shouldn't the 2 effects be seperated.
I mean... the card text just says :When this card is destroyed by the effect of another card, select 1 card on the field and destroy it. It doesn't state that it has to be activated first right?
Isn't it similar to black pendant where even if it's facedown it's graveyard effect can still be activated?

Anyway just out of curiosity, how did he post when he's 'unregistered'?

 

[burning soler flare]

yes this is what i was saying it does not say it has to be actvated first mearely says if it is destroyed by a another card effect than destroy 1 card on the field

like say it is in my hand and my opponet uses confaction
or he attackes me and calles trap and i choose blast with chain
that is what i am really wanting to know does it have tobe active for the effect i really dont think it does and the people a the jaskson tn turmeont dont think it has to be actvie


and why does 7 tools negate the effect of blast with chain if it never has to be actvated the only thing 7 tools does is negate the actvation it says nothion about negating the effect it only negates othere card effect because they have to be actvated first in order for the effect to take place

so see what i mean if blast with chain never has to be active than why is it nnegated (wich i am pretty shure it does not have to be active)

 

[StRiKe_NiNjA]

If you want to trigger the effect of Blast with Chain to destroy 1 card on the field, it must be an Equip Spell when it is destroyed.

It's a "condition" to meet the "effect" for it to be triggered.

Hope that clears it up.

 

[burning soler flare]

yes you may be right,, but the card does not say it has to be equiped,, it stopes and startes a new sentence and then says the effect,, if it was sposed to be activated first then it would say when this card is destroyed wile equiped to a monster but it only says when this card is destroyed by the effect of another card destroy one card on the field




and say you play 7 tool on it i think it would not negate the effect because blast never has to be actvated and 7 tools only negates the actvaton not the effect,, the only reason it negates other cards is because they have to be active first in order for the effect to take place but if you play a trap jammer on it it would negate the hole thing because it says negate the actvation and effect so see the differnce now,, 7 tools never says negate the effect at all but that is why trap jammer is there because you usall actvate it in the battle step/dammage step


if you do not think this 7 tools thing is true do you at least know what i am talking about

 

[novastar]

yes you may be right,, but the card does not say it has to be equiped,, it stopes and startes a new sentence and then says the effect,, if it was sposed to be activated first then it would say when this card is destroyed wile equiped to a monster but it only says when this card is destroyed by the effect of another card

It was an omission of text... that's unfortunately YuGiOh! for you...