Treeborn Frog and Enemy Controller

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kansashoops

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Just saw this posted on pojo. It sounds right, but I want to be sure:

Standby Phase
"Treeborn Frog" is Special Summoned to the field. Use "Enemy Controller" from your hand (remember, Quick-Play Spell Cards can be used from your hand during your turn) to Tribute the TB and gain control of an opponent's monster. Then, because you haven't left your Standby Phase yet, you can Special Summon TB once again.
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This sounds like he's right, but I wasn't sure if there was something preventing Treeborn Frog from being Special Summoned twice in a single Standby Phase. Judges?
 
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kansashoops said:
Just saw this posted on pojo. It sounds right, but I want to be sure:



This sounds like he's right, but I wasn't sure if there was something preventing Treeborn Frog from being Special Summoned twice in a single Standby Phase. Judges?
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As long as there are no Spell or Trap cards on YOUR side of the field, then you can Special Summon Treeborn Frog to your side of the field during your Standby phase. If you tribute Treeborn Frog for the cost of Enemy Controller, take control of your opponent's monster and still don't have any Spell or Trap cards on your side of the field, then Treeborn Frog should be able to be Special Summoned again from the graveyard. Other than intentionally stalling a duel with infinite effect loops, than I don't believe that there is any limitation to the number of times he can be Special Summoned during your Standby phase.
 
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so let me see if i had three emeny cotrollers in my
hand and my tree born in the grave yard and it came to field
i tibute it to steal monster 1 then i can bring it back to the same thing two more times.
then when i have all three of his/her monsters i could bring it back again
and the ntribute his monsters to Moisture Creature
and destroy all his/her spell and trap.
you got to admit that sounds cool.

erm i was wondering about timing of Treeborn Frog.
i'm not sure on this but Treeborn Frog's effect is opptional
meaning it going to the grave has to the last thing to happen.

so i think the chain off events works like this

step 1 Treeborn Frog comes back to the field
step 2 you activate emeny controller
and tree born frog for it's emeny controlers second effect.
step 3 Treeborn Frog goes to the graveyard.
stap 4 this is the last step you get your opponents
monster.
so no i don't think you could bring it back a second time.
 
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card registry said:
  2. If the effect of "Treeborn Frog" is negated, you can activate its effect again during the same Standby Phase and Special Summon it.
  3. If "King Tiger Wanghu" is on the field when "Treeborn Frog" is Special Summoned, "Treeborn Frog" will be destroyed, but can be Special Summoned again with its effect during the same Standby Phase. Doing so without purpose is considered stalling and is a violation of Tournament Policy.
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:D

that should explain it all.
 
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Jinzo64 said:
erm i was wondering about timing of Treeborn Frog.
i'm not sure on this but Treeborn Frog's effect is opptional
meaning it going to the grave has to the last thing to happen.
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"Treeborn Frog"s effect is not dependant upon HOW it ended up in the Graveyard, or WHEN. All it cares about is IF it's in the Graveyard AND there are no Spell/Trap cards on your side of the field. The optional part is only in whether or not you choose to Special Summon it during your Stanby Phase or not.
 
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o'k i'm lost on htis hole optional thing again one minute it has the last thing to happen then it just needs to meet the requirments on the card.
o.k i'll give an example of what i mean
i tribute a face up poison draw for the second effect of emeny
controller the take control of my opponents monster.
do i get to draw a card probably not as it's optional and
Poison Draw Frog going to grveyard has to the last thing to happen to get it's effect.
But the last thing happen here is the monster changeing sides of the field.
why is then not the case for tree born frog it's an optional effect
so by the time chains resolved you should have missed it's timing
and you should'nt be able to bring it agian until the next standby
phase.
hope that made sense.
 
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You are looking at Treeborn Frog's effect the wrong way. He doesn't have a timing problem because his effect only checks for 2 things,

"Does the controller have Spell and Traps on the field during the Standby Phase and does the controller have a face-up Treeborn Frog already on the field"

One of those has been pretty much minimized by the fact that Treeborn Frog is restricted to one. The other is on the controller.

Treeborn Frog's effect will activate as long as he is in the Graveyard during the Standby Phase and you have no Spell and Trap cards in your Spell and Trap Zone, to include Field Spell Cards.
 
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Bingo!! You have to remember, Poison Draw Frog is a effect that immediately activates in the Graveyard when he is sent. Kind of like watching someone place a big chest of gold on the other side of a busy street, and telling you that it's all your's if you can get across to it.

You know its waiting for you, but what are the odds that you are going to beat all the people who are already on the same side, too it? Slim to none. Timing is everything. You have to deal with all the cars whizzing by, then all the pedestrians who have easier access to it than you.

Poison Draw Frog is the same way. When it goes to the Graveyard, it tells you that you "can" draw a card, but if you have other things going on, by the time you finish completing them, you have lost your opportunity to draw because you must do it "right then and there".

Treeborn Frog can activate at any point within your Standby Phase, so as long as you can remove Spell and Traps from the field during that time, you may activate his effect at any time he meets the requirement to be Special Summoned, even if it is "several times".
 
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oh man the girl [white hair]? she said you couldnt. Goes to show that the Socal Judges are really dumb when it comes to rulings.

they should all like get together and read up on the rules before judging or something cause that is true hatred.
 
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krazykidpsx said:
oh man the girl [white hair]? she said you couldnt. Goes to show that the Socal Judges are really dumb when it comes to rulings.

they should all like get together and read up on the rules before judging or something cause that is true hatred.
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Actually, it was a simple mistake. Doesn't make her dumb.

And if you want to go and call all SoCal judges dumb for that.

You may as well say that ALL judges are dumb. :p
 
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SoCal not all the judges man. Some of the Judges at the SJC were from other locations and came from far, possible going thousands of miles for it to help out.

but some of the ones i seen often that are basically SCGE lackies are preaty dumb when it comes to the rulings.

simple mistake you wished man, the card it self doesnt have timing issues only somebody that absolutly doesnt/didnt know like Jinzo could get away with it, cause its understandble. but them they have time doing this they go to most of the events to this kinda thing. so you know they should know the rulings.
 
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krazykidpsx said:
SoCal not all the judges man. Some of the Judges at the SJC were from other locations and came from far, possible going thousands of miles for it to help out.

but some of the ones i seen often that are basically SCGE lackies are preaty dumb when it comes to the rulings.

simple mistake you wished man, the card it self doesnt have timing issues only somebody that absolutly doesnt/didnt know like Jinzo could get away with it, cause its understandble. but them they have time doing this they go to most of the events to this kinda thing. so you know they should know the rulings.
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I think you should show a little more respect for these judges. SCGE lackies or not, they are certified judges.

Keep in mind there were over 650 people at the event, meaning that each judge was asked for a ruling more than like...15 times. There is bound to be a mistake somewhere along the line.
 
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no excuse, they could get more judges.

But more than half the time they just choose not to, and keep getting the same old same old. :p

also, in yugioh more than 80% of the players are certified Lv 1 Judges.

and SCGE supposedly only gets lv 2 and up but i know thats a lie becuase i know a few Lv 1.
 
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On top of the accusations here, the friends I traveled with, some of whom are LV 2 judges for Norcal/Bay Area expressed disappointment in the SoCal judges' performances.

For 650 players, having the judges check the match result and sign the match slip was a good idea. For the 4 Norcal judges I went with, it wasn't. Why? Because most of the other judges didn't do their job properly, didn't check the match result, didn't collect the slips and were slacking off a lot.

If you were there on Day 2, you would know how bad it was when that little Head Judge turned into a tyrannical/dictator-like person when he started counting down and giving game/match losses to players standing in the aisles. I've never heard of anything so ridiculous in my life in this game.

Getting back on topic, the EC/Treeborn Frog ruling is on Ronin. Therefore, it's on the UDE site. Therefore, it should be well known by now by judges, regardless of level.
 
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