Two Scapegoat during the same turn

[Madma]

If I activate Scapegoat during my main phase 1, can I activate another Scapegoat during the same turn? And, if I can, are the new Sheep Tokens immediately destroyed?

I know the rule is: monsters forced to be special summoned after the resolution of Scapegoat are sent to the graveyard, but I don't know if the activation of Scapegoat is considered a forcing or not.

 

[Maester Bacman]

Sorry, but using Scapegoat implies Special Summoning the Sheep Tokens. Then, you cannot activate a second Scapegoat the same turn, because it is a Special Summon.

A Special Summon is forced when you don't decide to do that. Example: Your face-down Cyber Jar was flipped. By the effect of Cyber Jar, you are forced to Summon. Activating Scapegoat is something you can decide.

And, you can only activate Scapegoat if there are 4 free spaces in the Monster Card Zone. The other tokens would prevent you from activating the card again.

 

[woltarr]

the activation of scapegoat is considered a special summon

the first scapegoat played will forbidden the second one


however "being not able to summon, flip summon and special summon" is not the "activation cost" of scapegoat

if scapegoat is negated(magic jammer comes to mind) THEM player still will able to perform a summon in his turn

also if scapegoat was played and THEM cyber jar was flipped summoned, the monsters that would be special summoned will go to grave instead

woltarr

 

[Madma]

Ok, these rulings are exactly what I wanted to know. I already knew I can't activate Scapegoat if I have less than 4 free space in monsters zone, the idea was to sacrifice 4 Sheep Tokens with Cannon Soldier (evocated the previous turn), then to activate another Scapegoat after Cannon Soldier effect.

Thank you.

 

[Dlanaan]

the activation of scapegoat is considered a special summon

Just to make sure terminology is correct (and timing in this matter), it is not the activation of Scapegoat that is the Special Summon. It is the resolution. However, if Scapegoat has already resolved that turn, you may not activate a new one because its intended effect is not possible.

 

[Madma]

Another little question: can I activate 2 Scapegoat during the same opponent's turn? For example, my opponent has 5 monsters on the field, no monsters on my field, I use Scapegoat and my opponent attacks all the Sheep Tokens, then I activate the second Scapegoat...

 

[densetsu_x]

No for the same reason that Dlanaan stated in his post. When the 1st "Scapegoat" resolves, the condition about not being able to summon (including special summon) kicks in for the rest of that turn.

- Andrew

 

[krazykidpsx]

that preaty much means that you have to wait 1 turn in case you want to use the tokens as special summon sacs for toons?

 

[novastar]

the activation of scapegoat is considered a special summon

Just to make sure terminology is correct (and timing in this matter), it is not the activation of Scapegoat that is the Special Summon. It is the resolution. However, if Scapegoat has already resolved that turn, you may not activate a new one because its intended effect is not possible.

Lets also be more clear. Scapegoat need only be activated for the special summon condition to be put in place. Even if the resolution of Scapegoat is negated, by say Imperial Order, you will still not be able to special summon during the same turn.

The only way to prevent the condition is to negate the activation of Scapegoat.

 

[woltarr]

the activation of scapegoat is considered a special summon

Just to make sure terminology is correct (and timing in this matter), it is not the activation of Scapegoat that is the Special Summon. It is the resolution. However, if Scapegoat has already resolved that turn, you may not activate a new one because its intended effect is not possible.

Lets also be more clear. Scapegoat need only be activated for the special summon condition to be put in place. Even if the resolution of Scapegoat is negated, by say Imperial Order, you will still not be able to special summon during the same turn.

The only way to prevent the condition is to negate the activation of Scapegoat.

imperial order will only negate the resolution of the spell card

if imperial order is chained to scapegoat even if you will not be able to sumon the tokens , you will be forbidden to perform other sumons in this turn

however

counter traps like magic jammer would negate the ACTIVATION of the scapegoat ;so player could proceed other sumons in this turn

woltarr

ps sorry novastar i didnt saw the "no" in your answer (the one that i bolded)

 

[novastar]

Isn't that what I said?

 

[Madma]

Exactly the same!