UDE text changes are out of control

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djp952

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This is getting rediculous. They make changes from cards printed as recently as POTD, that were supposed to be "the new new new new way we're doing it". Almost none of the changes do anything useful to the card text. They're no more clear than they were.

Just look at this RONIN update list for tonight's update. I've spent all day typing in text changes and I still have to do the 38 changes from the new Duelist Packs before I can release it!

Out of 68 reprinted cards, 54 of them were changed.... and of course don't forget they changed 12 more existing card texts in SD10.

I suppose it's not a bad thing, but for goodness sakes UDE -- AT LEAST UPDATE YOUR DANG ERRATA TO MATCH WHAT YOU'RE DOING!!!


OK, here's the RONIN update list for tonight so you can see how crazy this is for what we're getting here....


- Applied official errata for Harpies' Hunting Ground
- Added new set CP02 - Champion Pack Game 2
- Added 2 new cards for CP02
  • Magical Stone Excavation
  • Happy Lover
- Updated text of 16 cards for CP02 changes:
  • Nimble Momonga
  • Magician of Faith
  • Pyramid Turtle
  • Smashing Ground
  • Kuriboh
  • Abyss Soldier
  • Ring of Destruction
  • Morphing Jar
  • Dark Master - Zorc
  • Magical Dimension
  • Rush Recklessly
  • Ceasefire
  • Thunder Dragon
  • Twin-Headed Behemoth
  • Big Bang Shot
  • Stray Lambs
- Added new set DP03 - Duelist Pack: Jaden Yuki 2
- Added 5 new cards for DP03:
  • Card Trooper
  • Light Laser
  • Burial from a Different Dimension
  • Edge Hammer
  • Kid Guard
- Updated text of 18 cards for DP03 changes:
  • Hero Kid
  • Neo-Spacian Aqua Dolphin
  • Neo-Spacian Flare Scarab
  • Neo-Spacian Dark Panther
  • Elemental Hero Wildedge
  • Elemental Hero Wild Wingman
  • Elemental Hero Aqua Neos
  • Elemental Hero Dark Neos
  • Cyclone Boomerang
  • H - Heated Heart
  • E - Emergency Call
  • R - Righteous Justice
  • O - Oversoul
  • HERO Flash!!
  • Contact
  • Common Soul
  • Hero Barrier
  • Miracle Kids
- Added new set DP05 - Duelist Pack: Aster Phoenix
- Added 5 new cards for DP05:
  • Destiny Hero - Malicious
  • Destiny Draw
  • Over Destiny
  • D - Counter
  • Eternal Dread
- Updated text of 20 cards for DP05 changes:
  • Destiny Hero - Doom Lord
  • Destiny Hero - Captain Tenacious
  • Destiny Hero - Diamond Dude
  • Destiny Hero - Dreadmaster
  • Destiny Hero - Dogma
  • Destiny Hero - Blade Master
  • Elemental Hero Phoenix Enforcer
  • Elemental Hero Shining Phoenix Enforcer
  • Misfortune
  • Guard Penalty
  • Clock Tower Prison
  • D - Spirit
  • Cyclone Blade
  • Elemental Recharge
  • Destruction of Destiny
  • Destiny Signal
  • D - Time
  • D - Shield
  • Destiny Mirage
  • D - Chain


edit: If you want to compare the text changes to see how silly most are, open RONIN now and leave it open. When the update comes out tonight, open a second RONIN and let it update itself. Then you can use them to compare with each other :D You can also use the time delay between me updating RONIN and me updating netrep.net, but I hope to get that done a few minutes after RONIN.
 
Read this one. Please explain to me how this horrible butchering of the English language is "better":

OLD

Miracle Kids
Normal Trap

Decrease the ATK of 1 of your opponent's monsters by 400 points for each "Hero Kid" in your Graveyard, until the End Phase.

NEW

Miracle Kids
Normal Trap

Target monster your opponent controls loses 400 ATK for each "Hero Kid" in your Graveyard, until the end of this turn.


"Target monster your opponent controls"? Seriously?
 
Target Monster!? Target Monster!?

Uh oh, Mike. This may be worse then you think. If they're doing what I think their doing, then their finally using the terminology system that all other games have had since the beginning. In VS, for example, all targeting effects use the word target in their card text. If it doesn't use the word target then no matter how much it looks like one, it isn't.

This bugs me a little. This should have been part of a major terminology overhaul if it's what I think it is. Not a surreptitious change like this. Failure to make do a complete overhaul will only create confusion and not settle past issues.

Mike, if you need any help let me know. We all appreciate the hard work you do in keeping the database current.
 
Digital Jedi said:
Target Monster!? Target Monster!?

Uh oh, Mike. This may be worse then you think. If they're doing what I think their doing, then their finally using the terminology system that all other games have had since the beginning. In VS, for example, all targeting effects use the word target in their card text. If it doesn't use the word target then no matter how much it looks like one, it isn't.

This bugs me a little. This should have been part of a major terminology overhaul if it's what I think it is. Not a surreptitious change like this. Failure to make do a complete overhaul will only create confusion and not settle past issues.

Mike, if you need any help let me know. We all appreciate the hard work you do in keeping the database current.
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I appreciate the offer! Actually, I just finished all the updates. I just need to do some surface testing in RONIN to see if it all looks close (LOL) and it's ready to go!

The new "Rush Recklessly" also uses that terminology now:

Target face-up monster gains 700 ATK until the end of this turn.

More gooder engrish from UDE. I agree this terminology shift should have been announced.

I really do recommend everyone look through the new sets in RONIN later and re-read the cards. There are a number of them I feel were made less clear by these changes.

Trivia note: Destiny Hero - Dreadmaster just lost it's place as the longest card text as of DP05. It changed A LOT -- he's now #34. (The Toons have risen to the top again):

Toon Dark Magician Girl 670
Blue-Eyes Toon Dragon 659
Manga Ryu-Ran 659
Toon Mermaid 659
Toon Summoned Skull 659
Pitch-Dark Dragon 643
Ancient Gear Gadjiltron Dragon 641
Koitsu 635
Zombie Tiger 606
Kiryu 602
Des Dendle 583
Harpie's Pet Baby Dragon 581
Last Turn 577
Metallizing Parasite - Lunatite 565
Freezing Beast 555
Burning Beast 554
Elemental Hero Dark Neos 547
Judgment of the Pharaoh 540
Divine Dragon - Excelion 532
Terrorking Archfiend 530
Exodia Necross 528
Allure Queen LV5 525
Chimeratech Overdragon 525
Fushioh Richie 524
Thousand-Eyes Restrict 517
Elemental Hero Electrum 515
Protective Soul Ailin 510
The First Sarcophagus 508
Desrook Archfiend 507
Z-Metal Tank 506
Destiny Board 500
Power Bond 498
Second Goblin 495
Destiny Hero - Dreadmaster 493
 
Yeah, that IS interesting. When Konomi / UDE starts using the word "target" you know some thought was put into it and this isn't the end of it.
 
Yes, that card text reminds me of texts from the Japanese OCG, and it sounds like something a Magic Card would say... All of them.
 
Wow, so all of these cards were errated. Usually I look at Netrep.net, look at the card description, and then compare with the most previous version of the card on Ebay. I also pride myself on playing with the most updated version of the card, and only Unlimited Edition. Personally, I think it should be ruled that Yugioh players only play with the most recent version of the card.

In addition to that the UDE Website, has not really listed all the errated cards on their PDF File. So for the last few months I made an TCG Erratum List. In my list I posted most of the DR3 cards, but need to add more. It is in a MSWord file and about five pages. I also include other cards that were misprinted as well. The most recent card that was reprinted that I known was none other than Thunder Dragon on the UDE Judges Forum. If any would like to see my list, and collaborate with me I will be more than glad to assist.
 
I for one am happy to see changes like this. They are making it easier to discern between targeting and non-targeting effects. It's looking like this year is going to be a year of surprises.....lol.
 
I just pray for consistancy. It's nice having to say that if it doesn't say target, then its not targeting. Not, if it doesn't say target, check the rulings.
 
There's always be questions, because there'll always be older versions of the cards. Hard to believe, but not everyone can be expected to be entirely up to date with all card texts (and rulings, for that matter).

I always thought card texts would be a lot better if they were modular. Perhaps they wouldn't take up less space, but at least it'd be a lot clearer. Most specifically, the costs (or, actions done at activation and resolution).

* FLIP: Target 1 monster - Destroy target monster.
* Once per turn - Flip this card into face-down Defence Position.
* This card cannot be Special Summoned from the Graveyard.
* Once per turn, target 1 monster in your Graveyard - Discard 1 card. Special Summon target monster.


... Kind of thing.
 
It would be nice if YGO would use keywords for effects, rather than print out the entire effect. For example:
During battle between this attacking card and a Defense Position monster whose DEF is lower than the ATK of this card, inflict the difference as Battle Damage to your opponent's Life Points.
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...Could just be:
Trample. or Piercing
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Why do so many people spell "ridiculous" that way? >_>
djp said:
I suppose it's not a bad thing, but for goodness sakes UDE -- AT LEAST UPDATE YOUR DANG ERRATA TO MATCH WHAT YOU'RE DOING!!!
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As you said (or I should say, "According to you", because I shouldn't give the false impression that I've actually READ the things), it's not very clear even after the change. Maybe it doesn't qualify as errata because they're not admitting fault with the first printing?
djp said:
"Target monster your opponent controls"? Seriously?
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If you don't like it, suggest to Wizards that they should sue. :D
 
Raijinili said:
If you don't like it, suggest to Wizards that they should sue. :D
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:D

I needed a good chuckle this morning ... that fit the bill!

Maybe we can trademark the word "Target" when used with CCGs and sue everybody! :p
 
cameron2010 said:
... Personally, I think it should be ruled that Yugioh players only play with the most recent version of the card.
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Totally disagree on that opinion. This game is already pretty expensive... just think of the fall-out that would happen from this type of totalitarian rule.
 
Indeed, that would throw the player base into mass fits! A great many people spent a LOT of money obtaining the original versions of cards, it would be obsurd to demand that only the most recent release of a card can be the only one played. Konami and UDE would never be so silly in business to demand such a rule or they'd find themselves in the midst of massive player revolt!
 
John Danker said:
Indeed, that would throw the player base into mass fits! A great many people spent a LOT of money obtaining the original versions of cards, it would be obsurd to demand that only the most recent release of a card can be the only one played. Konami and UDE would never be so silly in business to demand such a rule or they'd find themselves in the midst of massive player revolt!
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Not to mention, that there are lots of players that don't have easy access to cards.
 
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