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cuzwbd

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a silly question perhaps... but...can you use ultimate offering before your turn's one regular summon?
as an example in main phase 1 you special summon a cyberdragon then activate heavy storm/giant trunade ,ask for response,then chain ultimate offering(pay 500 lp)ask for response, resolve backwards summon (a gadget say,& pull from deck to hand) then wipe/ pick up both back rows... and then use your turn's summon to tribute for a monster say emes the infinity or ultimate tyranno what ever....
 
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cuzwbd said:
a silly question perhaps... but...can you use ultimate offering before your turn's one regular summon?
as an example in main phase 1 you special summon a cyberdragon then activate heavy storm/giant trunade ,ask for response,then chain ultimate offering(pay 500 lp)ask for response, resolve backwards summon (a gadget say,& pull from deck to hand) then wipe/ pick up both back rows... and then use your turn's summon to tribute for a monster say emes the infinity or ultimate tyranno what ever....
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In order to activate Ultimate Offerings effect (summoning a monster for 500 LP) he needs to be face-up on the field. You can't activate Ultimate Offering and pay the cost at once. You need to first activate Ultimate Offering, then it has to resolve so it will stay activated on the field. Than you can pay 500 LP and summons a monster.

You can Special Summon Cyber Dragon. Then activate Ultimate Offering. Wait until it resolves. Then you activate Heavy Storm or Giant Trunade. And you chain to Heavy Storm or Giant Trunade with the effect of Ultimate Offering (by paying 500 LP).

Now it resolves.

Ultimate Offering resolves and summons a monster. Now Heavy Storm or Giant Trunade resolves.

Note that Optinal Effect like Mobius the Frost Monarch can't be activated because the last thing that happend was not the summons.
 
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cuzwbd said:
a silly question perhaps... but...can you use ultimate offering before your turn's one regular summon?
as an example in main phase 1 you special summon a cyberdragon then activate heavy storm/giant trunade ,ask for response,then chain ultimate offering(pay 500 lp)ask for response, resolve backwards summon (a gadget say,& pull from deck to hand) then wipe/ pick up both back rows... and then use your turn's summon to tribute for a monster say emes the infinity or ultimate tyranno what ever....
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A Normal Summon IS a Normal Summon, so how can you pay 500 to perform a "extra" Normal Summon if you haven't performed your "one per turn" yet?!?!?
 
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what i'm asking is why not? where does it say the extra one cant be used first? is there a requirement that it must be after your normal summon? an activation window so to speak?
 
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Honestly, I don't see why it would matter if you'd used your Normal Summon that turn or not. An "extra" Normal Summon doesn't necessarily imply any kind of continuity. If my waitress brings me extra bread before I eat the bread the first basket, does it matter which basket I start on first? Is the first basket now the extra basket because I started on the second one first?
 
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I can't see where it matters either. You can use the effect of Ultimate Offering during your opponent's turn to get an "extra normal summon" We know that you aren't going to get a normal summon on your opponent's turn right....but we can get an "extra" one with Ultimate Offering. With that in mind I can't see where it matters on your turn.
 
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John Danker said:
I can't see where it matters either. You can use the effect of Ultimate Offering during your opponent's turn to get an "extra normal summon" We know that you aren't going to get a normal summon on your opponent's turn right....but we can get an "extra" one with Ultimate Offering. With that in mind I can't see where it matters on your turn.
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Where I think it matters is, it still counts as a Normal Summon, so if you "pay" to perform a Normal Summon, how do you then perform "another" nonpayment Normal Summon from hand when you have already Normal Summoned?

You can't perform a regular nonpayment Normal Summon if the first summon is negated, so obviously somehow the Game State recognizes the fact that a Normal Summon was attempted. Now, I would think that the Game State would take into account the same fact if you then used Ultimate Offering to get a "extra" summon, and it was negated, such as if Royal Decree is chained in response. Would you then get a regular nonpayment Normal Summon, when clearly the rule is one Normal Summon per turn?

Ultimate Offering doesnt say it ignores the once per turn rule. It simply allows you to perform a subsequent Normal Summon for a cost payment.

If you aren't initially making a "nonpayment" Normal Summon, and instead, using Ultimate Offering to perform your Normal Summon, why would you then get a extra one without paying????
 
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I understand your point and it's one that has validity and reason, however, I think this is one case where you're reading too much into the card (I think we all have on occassion) There is nothing in any documentation to suggest it works the way you've stated. I think this is just another example of misleading card text. By all means though, submit it to the judge's list, Ultimate Offering has long been misunderstood and deserves as much clarification as possible.
 
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I, too, don't see where Ultimate Offering is granting you a subsequent Normal Summon. As John pointed out, you don't get a Normal Summon on your opponent's turn, so how is that truly an "extra" Normal Summon. Based on the way the way the card works, the "extra" comment is probably not the best choice of words, but "extra" still doesn't imply "sequential". At best it implies "in addition to" and in no way should limit the order of it.
 
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I see UO simply as a card that not Special Summons a monster like other card effects do, instead Normal Summons it. The word "extra" is only there to indicate that this effect doesnt use up your 1 Normal Summon per turn, like e.g. Mausoleum does. I dont think the word "extra" has any other implied meaning here.
 
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If the purpose of using Ultimate Offering is to get a monster on the field so that you can use that monster to tribute summon him, then I would suggest you use your normal summon first and then use Ultimate Offering's effect to tribute that monster for the tribute summon monster. There would be no confusion as to whether using Ultimate Offering first makes you bypass your ability to normal summon a monster without paying the cost. Either way, you'll pay for UO's effect, it's just a matter of when.
 
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"Extra" here simply means that the UO-Summon doesn't affect your ability to have your OPT-Summon (once per turn Summon) as dictated in the rules. The wording on Ultimate Offering is still not the best, but it's at least a lot clearer than it used to be.
 
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HorusMaster said:
If the purpose of using Ultimate Offering is to get a monster on the field so that you can use that monster to tribute summon him, then I would suggest you use your normal summon first and then use Ultimate Offering's effect to tribute that monster for the tribute summon monster. There would be no confusion as to whether using Ultimate Offering first makes you bypass your ability to normal summon a monster without paying the cost. Either way, you'll pay for UO's effect, it's just a matter of when.
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well - the original thought was to chain it to something else to give it some protection as well as clear the way....
 
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The adjective extra is believed to be shortened from extraordinary. It would seem repugnant to insist that it could only mean "additional" when its etymology doesn't provide that answer. In fact, as an adverb extra would hold its origin's meaning, always meaning "outside/beyond" and never meaning additional.
 
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HorusMaster said:
If the purpose of using Ultimate Offering is to get a monster on the field so that you can use that monster to tribute summon him, then I would suggest you use your normal summon first and then use Ultimate Offering's effect to tribute that monster for the tribute summon monster. There would be no confusion as to whether using Ultimate Offering first makes you bypass your ability to normal summon a monster without paying the cost. Either way, you'll pay for UO's effect, it's just a matter of when.
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Not it's exclusive use or stratagem. You may find you want to pay for a Normal Summon in Main Phase 1 when you know your going to loose Ultimate Offering during your Battle Phase. In that case, you'd still have your once per turn Normal Summon to maintain some field presence in Main Phase 2.
 
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For example....

Player A has Gagagigo, Ultimate Offering, and A Legendary Ocean active.
Player B's field is irrelevant. Let's just say that it's full of annoying Traps and monsters.

Player A uses Ultimate Offering, tributes Gagagigo to summon Levia-Dragon - Daedalus. Daedalus blows up the field (including Ultimate Offering!). Player A Normal Summons another Gagagigo from his hand.

Better?
 
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I'm glad I didn't give any opinion on this thread before. From the Judge List, here's your "official" answer:

The question has come up whether you can use the effect of Ultimate
Offering
before you use your regular normal summon per turn, or if you need to
use your
regular normal summon first before you can activate Ultimate offering
to
generate "Extra" normal summons.

I ruled that it should be possible to use the effect of Ultimate
Offering first
in order to preserve your normal summon for later in that turn.



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Answer:

The controller of "Ultimate Offering" may activate its effect before
they have performed their standard Normal Summon/Set for their turn.


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lets say u have a monster on the field and jinzo in hand, can you use ultimate offering to summon jinzo ( i believe only in opps battle phase?) when a chain strike deck for some reasons entered battle phase, and chained 5 trpas, can u summon jinzo to negate it?

also....would it matter if UO is already face up or not?
 
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Presumably all the cards your opponent is activating are Spell Speed 2 cards (specifically here, Normal Trap Card). Therefore you can chain the effect of Ultimate Offering onto the end of the chain in an attempt to Summon Jinzo (by Tributing 1 monster, of course).

In this case, Jinzo would be Normal Summoned, and all Trap Cards on the same chain that tried to resolve after its Summon would be negated.

Where Ultimate Offering is DOES affect how you use it. You cannot flip it face-up AND use its effect in the same chain. It must be face-up already, and been resolved to the field BEFORE you activate its effect.
 
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mikoal said:
lets say u have a monster on the field and jinzo in hand, can you use ultimate offering to summon jinzo ( i believe only in opps battle phase?) when a chain strike deck for some reasons entered battle phase, and chained 5 trpas, can u summon jinzo to negate it?

also....would it matter if UO is already face up or not?
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Click the auto-linking on Ultimate Offering to see its current text. You can use it during more the just your opponent's Battle Phase.

Maruno said:
In this case, Jinzo would be Special Summoned,
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You mean Normal Summon. ;)
 
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