Uria!

[krazykidpsx]

OKay i got the rulings in my inbox and i already have problems with it.

Uria, Lord of Searing Flames (Effect Monster)
[This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card cannot be Special
Summoned except by sending 3 face-up Trap Cards from your side of the field to
the Graveyard. Increase the ATK of this card by 1000 points for each Continuous
Trap Card in your Graveyard. Once per turn, you can destroy 1 Set Spell or Trap
Card on your opponent's side of the field. Spell and Trap Cards cannot be
activated in response to this effect's activation.]

When a player Special Summons "Uria, Lord of Searing Flames" and activates its effect to destroy a Set Spell or Trap Card, no Spell or Trap card can be chained, including "Bottomless Trap Hole", "Torrential Tribute", or "Divine Wrath".

You guys notice what is incorrect about that?

the card effect says in responce to the effects activation not the summon.

Since when do we respond to mobius's effect with bottomless trap hole or torrential tribute I was told that its in responce to the summon not the use or activation of the effect.

can sombody clarafy this?

 

[novastar]

Responding to the summon or not is not a factor here.

The entire Summon Response Chain is in response to the summon, so infact Uira's effect is also "in response to the summon"

Something done "in response" to something else does not mean that it has to directly affect the event (or whatever) it is "in response to" or even have that timing at all.

I buy a car, and "in response" you buy a bike...

Uria's effect is plainly stating: "no Trap Cards can be activated in chain to me activating" period

 

[krazykidpsx]

not really its saying "Spell and Trap Cards cannot be activated in response to this effect's activation"


but you arnt responding to the activation of the effect. Your doing it in responce to the summon.

Remember a while back how I kept stating that, hey that seems a bit incorrect, but you guys kept telling me "no becuase its all in responce to the same action"

they are chained to one another becuase its how its placed on the chain block but in succession they dont have nothing to do with each other since they all responce to one action.

You summon I respond to the summon with torrential and chain Trap Hole then chain Bottomless Trap Hole.

but the only reason why i chain is becuase all 3 of them are responding to the action of summon.

 

[kagadesires]

I believe there is a misconception here as to the difference between "response" and "chain", krazy. A "response" waits for the previous effect to resolve (which is why it is always a "response" to a summon and not a "chain", because summons or not put on a chain). A chain is a direct link to the previous effect, and resolves before the previous effect. There is a subtle, but significant difference.

There also may be a misconception as to what exacty priority is. That is the big mastermind behind how Uria works. Priority gives the Turn Player the opportunity to create a chain (by using monster effects, etc.) before the Non-Turn Player. When someone creates a chain, or adds a new link to the chain, priority is passed to the other player (the exception being when a player wants to chain to his or her own effects). This means that when a monster is summoned (Uria in this case), the turn player (presumably the summoner of Uria) gets priority. They can execute that priority to destroy a Spell or Trap on the field. Then they can't chain anything. Again, refering to the chart up there, it would look something like this:

1- Uria announced, Traps sent to graveyard.
2- Uria hits field, no summon effects activate.
3- Turn Player executes priority to nuke a S/T.
4- Opponent tries to activate Bottomless, but it would be a chain to Uria's effect, so can't.
5- Resolve chain, pass priority.

Uria does strange things. If a player premptively (sp?) activates a Bottomless to Uria's summoning (in response), then the Turn Player can execute priority, slipping Uria's effect at the front of the chain, and negating the Bottomless. Why? Because Uria's effect cannot be chained to, and using priority makes the Bottomless a chain to Uria's effect (but still a response to the summon).

Soooo...a response to a summon breaks down into this:
"A RESPONSE to a summon becomes a CHAIN to the EFFECT of a monster when the Turn Player activates priority."
(Of course assuming the Turn Player is the one summoning the monster). Essentially, when you respond to the summon, they get to slip a chain link in front of that response with priority, provided they have a monster effect to utilize.

Did that clear it up?

 

[krazykidpsx]

it helps a little, but not much.

cause then that would mean that You miss your chance to use bottomless when mobius hits the field.

asuming you arnt responding to the summon but the effect of the creature.

which at this point you cant becuase the window for summon passed.

Not like i care, Ill give the ruling as is, I just need something to tell the players. Cuase 24 + players cant give a "Yea I get it" without an explanation as to why it happend like so.

Maybe the text should have been more clear as to say, "No spell or traps can be chained to this effect"

instead of "in responce to the effect"

 

[anthonyj]

How about this explanation. The last sentence of Uria is a Continuous Effect. It is actively preventing Spell and Trap's from being activated when the destruction effect is used. Thus once Uria is summoned the prevention effect is active on the field, the only question is whether or not Uria uses his destruction ability. If he does then the prevention effect is there to ensure that nothing (other than a monster effect) gets chained to it.

 

[novastar]

they are chained to one another becuase its how its placed on the chain block but in succession they dont have nothing to do with each other since they all responce to one action.

Magic Jammer "responds" to the activation of a Spell Card. You can respond to activation AND events. Since when can you not respond to an activation AND respond to a summon at the same time? Timing can overlap, in a sense. Also, there is a difference between direct response and simply responding during response timing.

Actually the biggest misconception here is that BTH responds to a summon...which is does not. It simply requires successful summon timing to be activated, the same goes for Torry T.

SJ and Horn actually "respond" to a summon.

In the end, there is absolutely nothing fishy about how Uria works, its pretty clear cut.