Vampire Lord's recursion from the hand question

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djshalifoe

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Each time this card inflicts Battle Damage to your opponent, declare 1 card type (Monster, Spell, or Trap). Your opponent selects 1 card of that type from his/her Deck and sends it to the Graveyard. Also, when this card is destroyed and sent to your Graveyard by your opponent's card effect, it is Special Summoned to the field during your next Standby Phase.

I looked up some info concerning Vamp's recursion effect and ran across this:

"When "Vampire Lord" is destroyed (by a card effect) while in your hand, in your Deck, or on the field, he will be Special Summoned in your next Standby Phase."

I was surprised by this...I guess my question is, since Vamp must be "DESTROYED" vs. "sent" while in hand to get the effect, exactly what cards have the specific effect of destroying a card (or cards) in hand instead of merely sending them? I couldn't think of one that specifically destroys cards.

Thanks!
 
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Currently, the only card that can destroy cards while in hand is "Chain Destruction". However, since "Vampire Lord" is restricted to 1 and "Chain Destruction" only works on the rest of the cards with the same name as the one summoned, there currently isn't a scenario where "Vampire Lord" can be destroyed in hand.

- Andrew
 
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Dlanaan said:
Sure there is. You summon my Vampire Lord that you got with Exchange. I activate Chain Destruction.

It's not a likely one, but it can happen.
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Good point.

anthonyj said:
Would it be possible to chain Compulsory Evacuation to Chain Destruction to destroy him (as foolish as that would obviously be)?
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Interesting point. If you go strictly by the text on the card, the monster that was summoned would be back in the hand when Chain Destruction resolves so theoretically... the card should indeed be destroyed.

- Andrew
 
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I would guess no. Chain Destruction is considered a targeting effect. If the target is not on the field when it resolves, it should be negated. (think Book of Moon vs. Sakuretsu Armor).
 
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Also, just because you can only have one in YOUR Deck, doesnt mean that you can only control  "1"  Vampire Lord.  Your opponent could have his own Vampire Lord, and in the process of you playing yours to the field, he may Quick-Play "Book of Moon" to turn him face-down then "Snatch Steal" on his turn.

You activate "Chain Destruction" on the Flip Summon and its his Vampire Lord that gets destroyed, not yours.  It would then be Special Summoned to the field during their next Standby Phase, because it was destroyed by a card effect even if it was in their Deck when it happened.
 
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Dlanaan said:
I would guess no. Chain Destruction is considered a targeting effect. If the target is not on the field when it resolves, it should be negated. (think Book of Moon vs. Sakuretsu Armor).
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So, if I summon say Slate Warrior and my opponent activates Chain Destruction I can save all of my Slate Warriors by Compulsory or Book of Moon? Good information to have.
 
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So back to my question...what card(s) (besides the seemingly dubious Chain Destruction theory) have the necessary effect needed for Vamp to get his recursion effect while in hand - or deck, for that matter? Or are there currently none? LMK
 
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densetsu_x said:
Currently, the only card that can destroy cards while in hand is "Chain Destruction".  However, since "Vampire Lord" is restricted to 1 and "Chain Destruction" only works on the rest of the cards with the same name as the one summoned, there currently isn't a scenario where "Vampire Lord" can be destroyed in hand.

- Andrew
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Mirage Tokens w/perfect double (or something like that)
 
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Dlanaan said:
Currently, I believe Chain Destruction is the only card that actually destroys a monster in the hand or deck.
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Okay, thanks.

On a different note, I just wanted to say that I LOVE this forum! This game has needed something like this for a long time...being able to ask questions and get timely official answers is just invaluable IMO.

Thanks again,
DJ
 
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Dlanaan said:
I would guess no. Chain Destruction is considered a targeting effect. If the target is not on the field when it resolves, it should be negated. (think Book of Moon vs. Sakuretsu Armor).
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If your opponent summons vampire lord, you have the priority to respond with Chain destruction if you like, then, your opponent does not respond and you chain your own chain destruction with compulsory evacuation device. The first effect to resolve is the compulsory one, by the time that chain destruction resolves, the card will search for vampire lord in your opponent hand or deck regardless of the existence of vampire lord on the field, I believe.
 
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Correct me if ii am wrong, but the only requirement chain destruction need, is the summoning of the monster, not the monster remaining on the field after activatiion, like ring of destruction.
 
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After re-reading the card, here's how it breaks down:

Chain Destruction
You can activate this card when a monster with an ATK 2000 or less is Normal Summoned, Flip Summoned or Special Summoned. Destroy all monsters with the same name in the summoning player's hand and Deck. The Deck is then shuffled.

So conditions to activate it: any monster with ATK <=2000 that is summoned to the field.
Resolution: Destroy all monsters with the same name in player's hand/deck.

Now, if the monster is no longer on the field when the resolution comes around, it does not know the monster's name since that isn't picked up by the card effect until the resolution. Without knowing the card name, "Chain Destruction" cannot destroy any monsters.

- Andrew
 
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