DarkLogicianOfCaos
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Venom Swamp Field Spell Card
Monsters loose 500 ATK for each Venom Counter on them. Destroy a Monster if its ATK becomes 0 by this effect. During Each Player's End Phase, place 1 Venom Counter on each face-up Monster, except "Venom" monsters.
Ruling: "This card's effect to destroy a monster whose ATK is reduced to 0 does not start a chain."
Questions:
1. When Venom Swamp leaves the Field (MSTed, Replaced, etc.), I assume that the counters stay and the affected Monster retains the ATK Decrease until the Monster is filpped F/D, removed, etc., or the Venom Counters are otherwise removed (e.g. Counter Cleaner), like the Alien Counters, right?
2. When Venom Swamp reduces a Six Samurai to zero that is equipped with Legendary Ebon Steed, Ebon Steed takes the hit automatically (the same would be true for Heavy Mech Support Platform equipped to a machine, or if one would choose to destroy a different Six Sammurai that isn't already in the same predicament). Is it safe to assume that it stops there even though the Six Samurai still resides in a state wherein it is reduced to zero by the effect of Venom Swamp?
(discourse to follow)
In other words: The effect of Venom Swamp to destroy the Monster, whose ATK is reduced to zero is instantanious, but is it a "one-time shot" deal, or does it place an irrevokable condition on the monster, that as long as it is reduced to zero it is destroyed? The wording is a tad ambiguous. If it said, "When it is reduced to zero...", okay, definitely one-time. If it said "if it's ATK becomes/beacme zero by this effect it is destroyed," I would say, it is a least an undifined aspect and may continue to attempt to destroy the card, no matter if you sacrifice all other four Six Samurai (which might be a great Strategy if your opponent is suplimenting his Reptiles with Ultimate Tyranno and Ultra Evolution Pill).
Unrelated supplimental Question (while we're at it):
Vennominaga is unaffected by... well everything! But, does her protection from effects extend to the counters that are placed on her by her own effect (being her counters), or will Counter Cleaner, which does not affect Monsters, but only counters on the Monster, still remove them (provided it's not #3. Timing is everything). I'm leaning heavily toward, Counter Cleaner removing them, based on this fact, thereby saving one's proverbial buiscuts for a few more hits.
Monsters loose 500 ATK for each Venom Counter on them. Destroy a Monster if its ATK becomes 0 by this effect. During Each Player's End Phase, place 1 Venom Counter on each face-up Monster, except "Venom" monsters.
Ruling: "This card's effect to destroy a monster whose ATK is reduced to 0 does not start a chain."
Questions:
1. When Venom Swamp leaves the Field (MSTed, Replaced, etc.), I assume that the counters stay and the affected Monster retains the ATK Decrease until the Monster is filpped F/D, removed, etc., or the Venom Counters are otherwise removed (e.g. Counter Cleaner), like the Alien Counters, right?
2. When Venom Swamp reduces a Six Samurai to zero that is equipped with Legendary Ebon Steed, Ebon Steed takes the hit automatically (the same would be true for Heavy Mech Support Platform equipped to a machine, or if one would choose to destroy a different Six Sammurai that isn't already in the same predicament). Is it safe to assume that it stops there even though the Six Samurai still resides in a state wherein it is reduced to zero by the effect of Venom Swamp?
(discourse to follow)
In other words: The effect of Venom Swamp to destroy the Monster, whose ATK is reduced to zero is instantanious, but is it a "one-time shot" deal, or does it place an irrevokable condition on the monster, that as long as it is reduced to zero it is destroyed? The wording is a tad ambiguous. If it said, "When it is reduced to zero...", okay, definitely one-time. If it said "if it's ATK becomes/beacme zero by this effect it is destroyed," I would say, it is a least an undifined aspect and may continue to attempt to destroy the card, no matter if you sacrifice all other four Six Samurai (which might be a great Strategy if your opponent is suplimenting his Reptiles with Ultimate Tyranno and Ultra Evolution Pill).
Unrelated supplimental Question (while we're at it):
Vennominaga is unaffected by... well everything! But, does her protection from effects extend to the counters that are placed on her by her own effect (being her counters), or will Counter Cleaner, which does not affect Monsters, but only counters on the Monster, still remove them (provided it's not #3. Timing is everything). I'm leaning heavily toward, Counter Cleaner removing them, based on this fact, thereby saving one's proverbial buiscuts for a few more hits.