Victory Dragon Ruling

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Did UDE ever issue a ruling about conceding before Victory Dragon attacks to force another game? This came up last week and I had no ideal what the answer was.
 
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the rulings on cards are the same if there here in the states or japn or anywhere else in the world the card rulings are the same beacuse anywhere the game is played the only thing the changes is the launge and nothing else..
 
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So does this mean a "concede" has a speed greater than a counter or quickplay and will always resolve first no matter who's turn it is? Or isn't it technically activated during the main phase of an opponent, although most duelists summon and attack simultaneously, there is an end to one phase and beginning to another that would allow the "concede" to occur and resolve prior to the attack. Either that or I'm just way off the way I'm interpreting the concession as a strategy.
 
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paulb91085 said:
the rulings on cards are the same if there here in the states or japn or anywhere else in the world the card rulings are the same beacuse anywhere the game is played the only thing the changes is the launge and nothing else..
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The difference between Japan and the US is that we have a very defined Organized Play system here and they don't.
 
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Raijinili said:
Remember, though, that if you DO concede the match when you're about to get hit by Victory Dragon, your opponent is allowed to get you called on bad sportsmanship.
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Let's not start tossing out things that are not true. The act of "Quitting" is not Bad Sportsmanship. It may be looked at as "poor sportsmanship" insofar as it just isnt fair (and how does it not result in being fair as the game loss is still issued), but you are allowed to concede at ANY TIME, and there is no rule that says that to do so when you are about to die makes a difference, especially since all it is going to do is make you "lose" the Duel anyway.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
Let's not start tossing out things that are not true. The act of "Quitting" is not Bad Sportsmanship. It may be looked at as "poor sportsmanship" insofar as it just isnt fair (and how does it not result in being fair as the game loss is still issued), but you are allowed to concede at ANY TIME, and there is no rule that says that to do so when you are about to die makes a difference, especially since all it is going to do is make you "lose" the Duel anyway.
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How about conceding the duel (not match) when you're about to be hit with Victory Dragon?
 
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Entropy said:
How about conceding the duel (not match) when you're about to be hit with Victory Dragon?
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As it stands right now its legal. You are not breaking any rules. If you don't let the attack go through and concede you still play another game. Definatly not fair but legal.
 
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It doesn't take a rulebook to tell you what's cheating/misconduct.

I'm sure we can come up with a huge laundry list of things that are not illegal gameplay, but would never be allowed in a tournament e.g. Where's the rule against intentionally spilling something over the duel mat... or that loud and clear voice doesn't mean shouting as loud as you can while still being clear

You may not concede the game when a match winning attack from victory dragon is imminent, because it is cheating, plain and simple.

The debate is what happens before an attack is imminent: e.g. When Victory Dragon is on the field but the field is not clear, (and something to clear the field is not being played).
 
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DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
It doesn't take a rulebook to tell you what's cheating/misconduct.

I'm sure we can come up with a huge laundry list of things that are not illegal gameplay, but would never be allowed in a tournament e.g. Where's the rule against intentionally spilling something over the duel mat... or that loud and clear voice doesn't mean shouting as loud as you can while still being clear

You may not concede the game when a match winning attack from victory dragon is imminent, because it is cheating, plain and simple.

The debate is what happens before an attack is imminent: e.g. When Victory Dragon is on the field but the field is not clear, (and something to clear the field is not being played).
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I agree with you but UDE says different. As of right now they say you can have a clear field and scoop to force another game.
 
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DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
It doesn't take a rulebook to tell you what's cheating/misconduct.

I'm sure we can come up with a huge laundry list of things that are not illegal gameplay, but would never be allowed in a tournament e.g. Where's the rule against intentionally spilling something over the duel mat... or that loud and clear voice doesn't mean shouting as loud as you can while still being clear

You may not concede the game when a match winning attack from victory dragon is imminent, because it is cheating, plain and simple.

The debate is what happens before an attack is imminent: e.g. When Victory Dragon is on the field but the field is not clear, (and something to clear the field is not being played).
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And this is cheating how? It doesnt make sense for policy to be written that way, but it is what it is. Cheating implies bending the rules or outright breaking the rules to achieve a desired result. But the rules say you can with no exception. Until the rule makers say that you can't, then no one can legitimately treat it as such.
 
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You guys are still fighting about this? That policy is too vague to determine what to do in this case and UDE isn't publicly clarifying. Judges are gonna rule the way they feel is fair until UDE comes out and specifically gives us a ruling on the situation.

Fighting about it is pointless. We all have our feelings about it, and I doubt anyone is gonna change their mind even if UDE does publicly tell the judge community how they want this handled...
 
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But you have to agree it would be poor sportsmanship. Which in the player management guidelines is punishable with a game loss. Since a player already conceded the game in progress, the game loss would credit to game 2, giving a match win anyways.

So why be a baby about it? Get pwned in the face and like it. Ask for some ice if you need to to reduce swelling, but don't cry.
 
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I don't see how "feelings" have anything to do with it. We have policy documents for a reason, just becase an effect is rendered useless because of it, doesn't mean we use our feelings to curcumvent it. It will probably be clarified how the two should jibe in the near future, but even if it isn't, you don't ignore policy on the feeling that it's unfair. It's in no way poor sportsmanship to execute a legal move. Is it now poor sportsmanship to not want to loose and to do everything within the gane rules to do so. This is not even "rules lawyering". This is cut and dry rules, it's just a few people are not liking it.
 
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First of all Policy DOcuments are NOT official rules of the Yu-gi-oh TCG.

Although we have plenty of effects taht might be Practically useless, we shouldn't assume that any one is completely useless.

Add to taht the fact Victory Dragon is restricted to 1, and previously banned in Japan, you would have to assume that it does indeed have something to make it powerful.

Cheating someone of something, is just as bad as just cheating.

The latter (intransitive) might imply breaking rules, but the former does not.

It's depriving someone of the Match win by unjust means. It's cheating, an omission in the rulebook does not negate that.
 
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John Danker said:
Doesn't the recent reply on the judge's list make it clear of how UDE wants us to address this?

http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=11642

At this point in time the policy stands as is and is applicable.
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But, but.... The Judge List isnt "Official"... yada, yada, yada. :rolleyes (waits for it....)

There is nothing that can be called "cheating or bad sportsmanship" about quitting before your opponent can win the match with an attack.

Now, to me, the line is crossed if you actually attack, and lower your opponent to zero and start to sign the Match Slip, and they ask what are you doing, and then you tell them that the Match is over thanks to Victory Dragon's effect, and THEN they try to concede.
 
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I agree with DaGuy and everyone who says that the whole "folding duel before being hit with VD" is unfair, but still...

...Completely unrelated, but has anyone seen the movie Air Bud?
 
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