What happens when Tribute Target Disappears?

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Wizit

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Hello

If I have two monsters on the field and select one of them as the target for the tribute-summon of my 5-star monster in my hand, what happens if that selected monster is destroyed before the tribute actually occurs?

Can I simply select the other monster to perform my tribute summon or is that the end?

I think the answer is that tributing does not really involve targetting so there is no problem and I simply select an alternate monster to tribute.

Thoughts or advice?

Thanks
Wizit
 
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thats harsh.

i tell them how much time left and then when its over go into the little 3 turn thing.

but there is always that one player that it isnt that they are stalling on purpose just thats how they play, they litterally take their time.

which isnt bad if you think about it.
 
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Giving them 3 reminders of the time and then still being kind enough to let them finish their 1 hour and 30 some minute game is enough. That's two rounds wasted pretty much and I could have went home, got ready for work, and then went to work to further compound my anger of dealing with stupid customers.

So it isn't being harsh when they've been told plenty of times.
 
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On top of reminding them how much time they have, I remind them that some of us have jobs they need to go to.

I ask them this question, "Do you think it takes 3 hours to finish a tournament of x amount of players with rounds 30-40 minutes?" and the answer I normally get is "no".

I only allow the first round to get dragged out, but even then I've had to get kind of harsh with them. Players need to maintain a steady pace with their game play. There isn't any "if", "and", or "but"'s about it. They just need to. If they can't, then they'll be subject to policies or in my case, my wrath. Which ever makes them play faster in the future.

I just hate players that play too fast and too slow. Annoys the heck out of me. I do make exceptions when a player is faced with a game ending decision.

Note: Keep in mind these tournaments don't house more than 12 or 14 players at most. With rounds 30 minutes a piece, I can make it home to get ready and then go to work and still be on time. Also, the tournament starts at noon. This isn't that hard of a concept for people to grasp and yet they struggle so much with it in my area.
 
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Stopping a Tribute Summon

Hello all

This discussion has been great. Back to my original question, I am not sure that it has been answered nor understood fully, so I will restate in hopefully better words.

It is my turn and I have monster A & B on my side of the field and a 5-star monster C in my hand. My opponent has Ring of Destruction face-down on his side of the field. I decide to tribute my monster A for monster C in my hand so I declare my intention to perform a tribute summon using monster A.

My opponent then activates Ring of Destruction on monster A, destroying it. Can I then say that since I never actually performed my summon, I can now select monster B and tribute it for monster C? This would support what Digital Jedi said earlier in this thread, that the act of tributing a monster is one action and involves a cost (of tributing one of my monsters) so cannot be interrupted. Then once the monster is on the field, the opponent can use Solemn Judgment, Bottomless Trap Hole etc on it to negate or destroy the end product of the tribute summon.

Have I made my question clearer or do I now just sound silly?

Thanks
Wizit
 
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They get no chance to use Ring of Destruction on monster A. Monster A will already be tributed, as you tribute then monster when declaring the tribute summon, for the most part. Also, summoning has no spell speed, as stated, so there is no chain point during which they could kill monster A.

*moved to YGO Rules and Regs*

-chaosruler
 
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*is happy, because Wizit ended the spamming, though pssvr could not. pssvr couldn't end the spamming cause no one realized he was being sarcastic*

But what you just said WOULD work for a ritual summon, since tributes are chosen at resolution.

-pssvr
 
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Yes for Ritual Monsters you are performing the Special Summon and offering the required Tributes upon Resolution of the Ritual Spell Card. The same is true for Polymerization, the Fusion Material Monsters are offered upon resolution of the Spell card. These are vastly different from a normal summon. For a standard Tribute Summon let's take an example.

Player A has Jinzo on the field. And a set Horn of Heaven as well as a set Bottomless Trap Hole.

Player B has nothing on the field.

Player B on his Main Phase 1 activates Snatch Steal on Jinzo, it resolves and he takes control of Jinzo. Next he Tributes Jinzo and declares he is tribute summoning his own Jinzo. At this point Player A could activate his Horn of Heaven since his Jinzo was already tributed and negate the summon of the new Jinzo (but alas he has no monster to tribute to activate Horn of Heaven so that window must pass) now Jinzo is on the field and the timing would be right for responding to the summon with Bottomless Trap Hole but there is no opening as Jinzo is again preventing Traps. :)

Scenario 2:

Player A has a face-down Sinister Serpent and a face-up Gemini Elf on the field and a set Ring of Destruction as well as a set Horn of Heaven and a set Bottomless Trap Hole. And 2000 life points.

Player B has an A-Team Trap Disposal Unit face-up on the field. And 1000 life points.

Player B activates Creature Swap. Player A chains with Ring of Destruction on Gemini Elf. Player B actives A-Team Trap Disposal Unit to negate the Ring of Destruction. The chain resolves Ring of Destruction is negated and Creature Swap can't resolve due to Player B no longer having a monster to select.

Next Player B activates Snatch Steal, no response and Gemini Elf is now controlled by Player B. Player B tributes Gemini Elf to declare the summon of Jinzo, Player A responds to the summon declaration with Horn of Heaven tributing his Sinister Serpent. Jinzo's summon is negated and he goes to the Graveyard.
 
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okay the last part, is were stuff is going a bit out of control.

you dont respond to the summon declaration, you just either make the summon illegal or legal. thats how itll work out.

remember summons dont start chains.

so its a matter of, "hey will my monster be successfully summoned yes or no?"
and if you have horn or solem and can activate either or you reply with "No it will not be successful, i am activating __insert negator here__ to negate the summon and make it UNsucessful."

:) its easy, its defently not hard, you know what yoru talking about but rememnter we dont respond to it, becuase it causes confusion. since summonening doesnt start a chain.
 
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What word do you feel fits in better to the timing of Horn of Heaven? Responding to the declaration is not "Chaining" but it does happen after the tribute (in the event of a tribute summon and before the monster arrives on the field). To the best of my recollection the phrasing is Appropriate until we get better approved terminology from UDE/Konami.
 
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Hmm, I think given the current "state" we have in the game, that the use of the word responding to the summon is still Appropriate. Its one of those rare instances that the cost to tribute summon is still paid, and the summon is negated, hence any effects of Mobius, Jinzo, etc. will not apply.

If you were to open the option to "chaining" or "responding to the declaration" of the summon, newer duelists might get the impression that they could sneak in an Offerings to the Doomed or Raigeki Break to prevent their opponent from even having the tribute material necessary to perform a tribute summon.
 
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not neceserally true, remember what do you say when your opponent summons succesfull Mobious the Frost Monarch and selects 2 spell or traps on your side of the field.

do you say, ill chain to his effect with Bottomless?? Incorrect timing sir.
Do you say, Ill chain to the summon with bottomless?? Sorry a summon doesnt start a chain.

what do you say? in responce to the summon, i will activate Bottomless Trap Hole.

now, would "In Responce" be appropriete? not likely, this is something the Turn player should ASK the non Turn player(s) "Will my summon be successfull?" thats all, its only what 5 words.

its not hard. and we all could do it.
 
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let's not all forget that you DO know what the monster being tributed for is public knowledge at the time of Horn of Heaven/solemn judgement. So responding to the declaration of a tribute summon would be bad the way it sounds. Monsters are tributed and then (for the sake of these 2 cards with the ability to negate normal summons) are in a sort of limbo, where the only things that can stop them from successfully being summoned are these 2 cards.

So, to the question that started the thread, monster A (the sacrifice) is gone. No ring, no Tribute to The Doomed, no anything. Monster B (the tribute summon) hits the field, and turn player has the chance to activate a ss1 monster effect. Then, non turn player would be able to respond (bottomless, torrential, etc.)
 
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not neceserally true, remember what do you say when your opponent summons succesfull Mobious the Frost Monarch and selects 2 spell or traps on your side of the field.

do you say, ill chain to his effect with Bottomless?? Incorrect timing sir.
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No offense, but you couldn't hardly be more wrong. You DO chain to the effect. Nothing is wrong with the timing in that situation.

-pssvr
 
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krazykidpsx said:
not neceserally true, remember what do you say when your opponent summons succesfull Mobious the Frost Monarch and selects 2 spell or traps on your side of the field.

do you say, ill chain to his effect with Bottomless?? Incorrect timing sir.
Do you say, Ill chain to the summon with bottomless?? Sorry a summon doesnt start a chain.

what do you say? in responce to the summon, i will activate Bottomless Trap Hole.

now, would "In Responce" be appropriete? not likely, this is something the Turn player should ASK the non Turn player(s) "Will my summon be successfull?" thats all, its only what 5 words.

its not hard. and we all could do it.
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You chain Bottomless to the effect, Krazy. Timing is not an issue here as the last thing to resolve was a summon.
 
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yes, but that is completely off, becuase you could easily say that
1. Bottomless Trap Hole doesnt have a summon requirement.
2. You would be able to use it on Jinzo.

see were im getting at?

Its incorrect. maybe its just me and im used the whole "Will it be legal" but over all becuase of this, games tend to cause confusion.

why can i use bottomless? why cant i use it on Jinzo? im responding to the summon arnt I?

is Jinzo except from 2 Traps when it comes to summon? or what exactly is going on.


DJ you play VS, why can you respond to the recruit of Psymon with your 6 or less plottwist?

wouldnt you say that once a monster would hit the field its effect clicks in?

its like, OO, hold on, before you do this, ill be doing this.

seems kinda of shady to me.

of course that is a completly different game, and quite possibly because all the other game mechanics im used are actual CLEAR, omg i said it, clear.

its what is confusing me.

maybe thats it. im confusing my self because this game is so unclear on what the heck we are doing that really all we are doing is playing a blind game.

thats it. im officially out of this game, i wont longer post anything about yugi or its rules or anything. decks etc...

untill the game becomes actually clear, or a comprehensive rules is actually release all im seeing is a bunch of players playing blindfolded.
 
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Jinzo's is a continuous effect, and therefore becomes active as soon as he hits the field. Unlike Mobius, which has to trigger upon summoning. ANd VS couldn't be less relevant, since character's summons ARE chainable in Vs.

-pssvr
 
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