Because Woo, it is not that a person's Deck flat out sucks, unless of course someone is doing something crazy and playing all the Grotto cards or something. It is more with the fact that certain Decks have an advantage over other Decks. I am not talking about you having a Gravekeeper Deck and I make a ANTI-Gravekeeper Deck to beat it. Some Decks are good, some Decks are not as good. Some Decks can beat certain Decks, but lose to other types of Decks.
What I want to see is....
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DarkLogicianOfCaos
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Tiso said:
And that's where the good sport who knows how to make killer decks can say, "Hey, let's see if we can improve your deck a little." That way it'll help them and be more of a challenge next time. Most of the time I find that those who talk smack do so to try to build up their own lack of self-respect.
We had a guy I see a lot in the game that, after beating one of my trash talking friends, stood up and began shouting at the top of his lungs, gesticulating wildly, "Why do you even play me? Don't even play me! You got nuthin'" I had to calm him down and then go out into the hall and explain to the parents of young kids there, that, no, there wasn't a crazy man trying to start a fight, just a battle of super-egos and the one with the smaller self-esteem won. It was pathetic to all except my smakc-talking friend, who rode home with us a little quieter than he had come.
Well, I didn't do well at the Baltimore SJC because of my own poor selection of a deck theme, and my general lack of experience in Tournament-level play.
I do believe I could have done better, but it certainly wasn't due to anyone else's fault. While in retrospect there was 1 case (I previously said 2) with an illegal activation of Bottomless Trap Hole that worked against me, but even if that was caught, there is certainly no way to determine if the outcome would have changed. I really don't think it would have made any difference in the long run.
(How's that? Now you know somebody that can say it! LOL)
I do believe I could have done better, but it certainly wasn't due to anyone else's fault. While in retrospect there was 1 case (I previously said 2) with an illegal activation of Bottomless Trap Hole that worked against me, but even if that was caught, there is certainly no way to determine if the outcome would have changed. I really don't think it would have made any difference in the long run.
(How's that? Now you know somebody that can say it! LOL)
masterwoo0
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LOL I had a similar incident at a Books-A-Million about a couple month ago.DarkLogicianOfCaos said:
Some kid with a Armed Dragon Deck was talking a bunch of garbage about how his deck was unbeatable and challenging everyone, and really actually beating everyone too! Since it was my first time there, I was just kind of watching the competition and he saw me with my deck box in hand, and asked if I played. Of course I said yes, then he tells me to sit down and duel him!! I'm thinking this kid is waaaaaay to egotistical! We start dueling, and he pops out all these Stamping Destructions and really lays into me, and I lost the first Duel in just a few turns. So now he's even more smug!!
No problem, I bascially saw what I needed to see of his playing style, and adjusted accordingly. A couple Bottomless Trap Hole's and a Morphing Jar later (this was also when Cyber Jar was legal too..), I basically shut him down in the next two duels, as well as shut him up. Next weekend, he challenged me again, same Deck with a few changes. I shut him down 2-0.
He see's me Judging at the Pre-Release for Enemy of Justice and shouts out in front of his buddies that I owe him a rematch... I've beaten him 3 times to his "0". I dont think I owe him anything, but the lesson he learned.
MightyDingo
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ROFL! Wow, John. This could have come straight out of my house. Me and my 5 y.o. squaring off. I am determined that he will do what I say and he is just as determined to do what he wants. The funny thing is how small the disagreements usually start, but how fast the plain, bull-headedness can escalate the whole thing.
As for the sportsmanship issues, I am involved in youth baseball for ages 6-17. One of the best things in the world is the shaking of hands after the game. It teaches that no matter what, it was just a game. The next best thing, is that as an umpire, I can toss any kid for unsportsmanlike conduct. And believe me I will. People complain about the competitiveness and let them be kids, but the truth is that kind of behavior only grows if left unchecked. It is also this kind of behavior that usually starts the physical altercations. If they can't play the game the way it is meant to be played as gentlemen, then they can watch it from the parking lot.
DarkLogicianOfCaos
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John and Dingo, I'd like to introduce you to a book called Parenting With Love and Logic. It revolutionized not only our family (4 daughters, most now in their teens), but also the way I handle "difficult" people. It's really hard to find, it's through the Cline/Fay Institute (soory about the plug). Big fan! http://www.loveandlogic.com/index.html
Now the only problem is, my 17 year old has found it, read it, and is using it on my wife!! It give the child choices, any of whcih you can live with. This gives them the power to choose, which is what they want, and you get to design the parameters. The whole idea is teaching your child to accept responsibility for the choices they make while the price tags (consequences) are low. If more parents would do this, then we would have a lot less people griping about losing games because of some outside factor.
Now the only problem is, my 17 year old has found it, read it, and is using it on my wife!! It give the child choices, any of whcih you can live with. This gives them the power to choose, which is what they want, and you get to design the parameters. The whole idea is teaching your child to accept responsibility for the choices they make while the price tags (consequences) are low. If more parents would do this, then we would have a lot less people griping about losing games because of some outside factor.
MightyDingo
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So your saying I am bad parent now!!!!
Just kidding, I haven't seen a good internet arguement in.....well, I don't know I have ever seen a good internet arguement so take it for what it is worth. :smiley_je
Just kidding, I haven't seen a good internet arguement in.....well, I don't know I have ever seen a good internet arguement so take it for what it is worth. :smiley_je
Very true. We are endeavoring to teach our children to be good people and let them make their own choices as often as possible.(Something I learned working in Sales, only present the options that you prefer.) How else are they going to learn? I will check out the link.
Ah, the cultural differences. My wife and I come from different cultural backgrounds, yet the child rearing techniques were very similar. We got choices alright. Either mom go gets the belt or dad does. You also had a tree out back with a wide selection of switches of assorted shapes and sizes.
You also had a tree out back with a wide selection of switches of assorted shapes and sizes. EmeraldDragon
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Think thats bad try going to a catholic school. Then try telling your parents what went on
I think we are beginning to diverge from the original point which, to my understanding, is current players being bad sports. not the diciplinary techniques of judges on this site.
i will add myself to one of people that can admit to making mistakes. when i lost to John the other day the primary reason in game one was because i could've prematured for game, after a series of events on my turn, but instead used the effect of two archfiends oath's... believe that was the more logical move in the game, trust me...
i will add myself to one of people that can admit to making mistakes. when i lost to John the other day the primary reason in game one was because i could've prematured for game, after a series of events on my turn, but instead used the effect of two archfiends oath's... believe that was the more logical move in the game, trust me...
jostam said:
You can either conform and be a sheep like everyone else, or you buck the trend and challenge it with your own ideas and never quitting with them until you are successful, if you are that is. Either case just try your best in the situation. I would just get a bunch of people and tell another bunch of people not to enter the tourney and do not duel those specific top 8 for a good long awhile.
interesting...
been an interesting thread....a good read over am coffeee...
in almost every tournament we go to - in my losses - i usually know when i've missed something...made an error...and say so - usually while i'm playing...now it's gotten to the point where the younger kids are starting to stand behind me and watch... because i -without giving away cards -talk about the playing of the game...overextend...hand mgt..i need___ with effect...he's got me in a lock...options...chain to my...
been an interesting thread....a good read over am coffeee...
in almost every tournament we go to - in my losses - i usually know when i've missed something...made an error...and say so - usually while i'm playing...now it's gotten to the point where the younger kids are starting to stand behind me and watch... because i -without giving away cards -talk about the playing of the game...overextend...hand mgt..i need___ with effect...he's got me in a lock...options...chain to my...
the store we play at is very competitive...there are 6 earned playmats.. and three or four have earned a trip to nationals...(looking like they wont be able to afford to go - another thread? sad tho')
so our top 8 has a lot of the same faces week in week out...it does get discouraging for the little kids... i am a firm beliver that the worst should always play the best in early rounds... and the better players need to understand thatcrushing the noobs in silence is no good for the tourney... if they all quit - there will be a doz players... not much $ for prizes then...they should be encouraged to talkgame to the learners...so they can improve....
so our top 8 has a lot of the same faces week in week out...it does get discouraging for the little kids... i am a firm beliver that the worst should always play the best in early rounds... and the better players need to understand thatcrushing the noobs in silence is no good for the tourney... if they all quit - there will be a doz players... not much $ for prizes then...they should be encouraged to talkgame to the learners...so they can improve....
the cards are something else again...some are readily available, many top tier are not...i recently used our printer to make a bunch of color copies of cyber dragons ,jinzos , treeborn frog, mirror force,dmoc,injection fairy,sacredphoenix etc... cut out of sheet and put in sleeves in front of reg cards...so the little kids could play on a more even field...i was amazed at how upset the mediocre players were and how the better players were almost all ok with it....my point was - are you here to inflate your ego by beating kids with no cards to make a deck with? or are you here to enjoycompeting and learn to be a better player...?
i also play alot between & after... sometimes i swap decks with the newer kids... or use my 2nd deck and let them use mine...
i also play alot between & after... sometimes i swap decks with the newer kids... or use my 2nd deck and let them use mine...
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