What's a Better Cyber Lasser Dragon or Cyber Barrior Dragon??

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Funny because in WC2006, the computer seems to have a massive hand all the time and other options left when it comes to summoning and that is just a high Fusion Elemental Hero Deck. We do not even go into specific Elemental Hero Decks people can play along with just Fusion. The reason you would draw either of those cards is because either of those cards offer a good enough effect to protect you. Most are running 3 Smashing Grounds so obviously you draw that easier. Bottomless Trap Hole would be run 2-3 and same rule applies. Sakuretsu Armor 2-3 and same rule applies. Just because the combo takes some work does not make it any more playable or good. When you focus on the theme, everything else will fall into place if you stop thinking about it.
 
Actually, Im all for experimenting. But I'm not about to make a deck that I dont see as anything more than a fun, annoyance Deck, much like how I felt Mill Decks were, even though I did build one before they became popular.
 
Mill Decks are not fun. They are tourney worthy and winning annoying Decks. The kind of Deck that would make your opponent throw the table over and kill the player using it.
 
Notice I said, "were", and "before they became popular". I didn't even know what Mill meant until I saw examples of a Deck that was called that.

I just know that when I got my first Needle Worm way back when, I thought it was a pretty fun card to play with, so why not get more?
 
Ah come on guys, even in a Cyber Dragon deck, playing Laser and Barrier is just no good. why? Youu HAVE to put at least one trap and one spell in yor deck to make them playable. And we all know that that's just not good enough. So if you would considr to play either Laser or Barrier you would have to make a deck that would completely focus on playing those 2. And if you would, those 2 advanced cybers would be your only trumpcard, and the standard Cyber Dragon already IS an trump card:d:p
 
HEY, WHOA!!! man this isnt that big of a deal. One question, WIll any of you be using this card? If not then just get over youselves. The whole thing is all depending on how lucky the player is. I could use an exodia deck with nothing but Pot of Greeds and exodia, and I could still mess that up. HOww? IM Just not gonna get lucky. I'll be lucked up on, THough in all reality I SHOULD be able to get all I need 1st turn, it just wont happen. This could work stilll, and still cant, it is just all probability. Though not tourney worthy, its worth a try for fun
 
Tiso said:
Mill Decks are not fun. They are tourney worthy and winning annoying Decks. The kind of Deck that would make your opponent throw the table over and kill the player using it.
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If someone does do that, honestly, they shoudlnt be playing, because its just taking the whole thing too far, i mean by all means get involved in the game and show ehusiam but when it comes too tipping over tables becuase on an oppenents deck type!? then, i'm sorry thats just taking it way too far.

on the other hand, my personal preferance would be Cyber Laser Dragon, cyber barrier seems to have an almost pointless effect in terms of use and far too venerable, even in defence its not too great.it just seems like a waste too summon it, when you could summon a laser or fuse the proto's
 
shadowdragon said:
If someone does do that, honestly, they shoudlnt be playing, because its just taking the whole thing too far, i mean by all means get involved in the game and show ehusiam but when it comes too tipping over tables becuase on an oppenents deck type!? then, i'm sorry thats just taking it way too far.

on the other hand, my personal preferance would be Cyber Laser Dragon, cyber barrier seems to have an almost pointless effect in terms of use and far too venerable, even in defence its not too great.it just seems like a waste too summon it, when you could summon a laser or fuse the proto's
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Say that again after you lose a bunch of times to countless Mill Decks and I mean when Mill Decks were killer then tell me if you feel as such. Mill Decks were like giving your opponent the finger, constantly especially when done right can OTK or even FTK depending on how you went about it. Just be thankful we do not even have the Spell Card that lets you activate Set Trap Cards the turn you Set them.

Both the Cyber Dragon monsters are good when used at the right time. Cyber Barrier Dragon being the easiet and the most underappreciated effect. What is your opponent going to do when you have Dark Door out and Cyber Barrier Dragon? (Oh sure well he/she can just Dust Tornado, Smashing Ground, blah blah since I know one of you is going to say that). With Cyber Laser Dragon out in that situation it will not take much to activate its effect, clear their monsters and direct attack. Proto-Cyber Dragon was never meant to be used mainly for Fusion. They were created for Photon Generator Unit and Attack Reflector Unit in mind with Polymerization and Power Bond a distant second. In a Cyber Dragon based Deck, with Cyber Dragon, Proto-Cyber Dragon, Cyber Giraffe, Cyber Phoenix, and the other soon to be released and not yet released Cyber Dragon support cards work well when you focus on the theme completely. You should use them in a Cyber Dragon Deck, otherwise it is hardly a Cyber Dragon Deck.
 
Ya read my card review? They both suck. Cyber Lazer Dragon can only bust a monster that's 2400ATK or more, that sucks. You need Rush Recklessly to just make your foe ATK higher.

Barrier sucks cause it only negates 1 attack.
 
So because YOU say so that they suck, clearly the cards suck.

You think it suck, but since you do not even know the correct of Cyber Laser Dragon I am not going to value that opinion. You can either destroy a monster with 2400 or more ATK or use the 1800 DEF to destroy a monster with 2400 or more ATK. It already is going to beat the most commonly used monsters on its own attack alone. What it can do now is take care of Jinzo, Ha Des, Mobius the Frost Monarch with its own effect without killing itself in the process. It just seems to me the majority of people that dislike the cards have a hard time actually doing the work involved in playing the cards correctly instead of using them.
 
Tiso said:
So because YOU say so that they suck, clearly the cards suck.

You think it suck, but since you do not even know the correct of Cyber Laser Dragon I am not going to value that opinion. You can either destroy a monster with 2400 or more ATK or use the 1800 DEF to destroy a monster with 2400 or more ATK. It already is going to beat the most commonly used monsters on its own attack alone. What it can do now is take care of Jinzo, Ha Des, Mobius the Frost Monarch with its own effect without killing itself in the process. It just seems to me the majority of people that dislike the cards have a hard time actually doing the work involved in playing the cards correctly instead of using them.
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paulb91085 said:
Cyber Laser Dragon and cyber barriar dragon are really good depending on how you use them like for example Cyber Laser Dragon is the best attack card with a great effect and cyber barriar is the best when it's for defence with a descent effect meant for defence.
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Question... How many times have YOU used this card other than hypothesizing how well it "could" work in a actual tournament? Your successful Top 8's should be enough to convince us that it is indeed a useful as well as Tournament Worthy card.

You cant just "talk about it".

I know how people were so stuck on Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV8 and his effect, yet he Disappeared quickly from the scene. Yes, I know, no one likes to stick with a theme or a card that takes work. Why should they have to if something else works BETTER? Sure, it makes for a boring time playing the same Decks over and over, but we already know that for a LOT of people, winning is everything about playing, not the "fun" aspect of creating a deck that gets beat all the time until your 100th Match using it.

Overdramatization, yes, but I'm sure more people will tell you that they have quit the game because they can't win, than people who have quit the game because they win the majority of the time.
 
When have I said it would work well in a tournament. I see, you are putting words in my mouth. A lot of Decks could be tourney worthy Decks if it was not for the fact that everyone CC in tourney. Cyber Laser Dragon and Cyber Barrier Dragon represent the perfect Defense and Offense. What is your opponent going to do when you have Dark Door out and both of those monsters? Not only is it easy enough for you to seal off any problems for Traps you may face, but also Spell Cards with little to no effort. But as I said, anything that involves a little effort is frowned upon, is considered crap by the marvelous CC tourney winning duelists in this game. Horus has not Disappeared and it is still as annoying of a Deck to face as ever. That Deck can easily get to game over if the certain conditions are on the field, but as I just explained most of you (and I can assume you too) only care about winning through the tried true methods of CC that and this.
 
Tiso said:
When have I said it would work well in a tournament. I see, you are putting words in my mouth. A lot of Decks could be tourney worthy Decks if it was not for the fact that everyone CC in tourney. Cyber Laser Dragon and Cyber Barrier Dragon represent the perfect Defense and Offense. What is your opponent going to do when you have Dark Door out and both of those monsters? Not only is it easy enough for you to seal off any problems for Traps you may face, but also Spell Cards with little to no effort. But as I said, anything that involves a little effort is frowned upon, is considered crap by the marvelous CC tourney winning duelists in this game. Horus has not Disappeared and it is still as annoying of a Deck to face as ever. That Deck can easily get to game over if the certain conditions are on the field, but as I just explained most of you (and I can assume you too) only care about winning through the tried true methods of CC that and this.
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Im not trying to put anything in your mouth except whether or not you have been successful with playing any of the cards everyone has said sucks. The majority of us all say they are garbage. You are defending them without playing either, from what I gather. Scenario's only work on paper and we could simulate scenario after scenario, continually one upping each other until one of us gets tired and moves on.

The cards suck, period. No one here has provided anything more than conjecture on how they think they could be useful.

The cards are just like those stupid Movie Sphinx cards.

Now, if you have a deck you built, and it is successful, as I asked, then let all of us know so that we can have a real opinion. Everyone here knows how well the cards that can destroy them work,

Bottomless Trap Hole
Torrential Tribute
Solemn Judgment (on the Spell or Trap Card itself)
Zaborg the Thunder Monarch

which is why we can freely mention them. Unless you have a working Laser or Barrier Deck (or combined Deck), anything that is stated is how you would like it to work, on paper.

That's all I'm saying. We say they suck, we dont really have to prove our position since, well, they suck on paper to us, and none of us plan on using them...

And, I dont play Cookie Cutter. I grab a bunch of cards I like, and use them. If it happens to be similar to a winning deck, well, what's the saying, "Great minds think alike."

If I purposely copied a winning deck, then shame on me. But I am not going to build a deck from cards I think are potential garbage just to prove a point that I can get slaughtered at the expense of theme based originality.

I like winning. I like having fun. Winning is fun. When did 2nd place Trophy's become the rage?

I dont know about you, but no one celebrates losing more than winning. That's why when you lose, you're called a LOSER, not 2nd place winner. Its not even a fun name to be called, so again, what's fun about losing?
 
Yes I actually do take the time when I get a chance to actually use Decks and cards that people say are garbage in order to prove them wrong. You are talking to a person who constantly is researching on how to make a better Water Dragon Deck all the time.

Now for all those examples you listed since it is obvious people like you will always find a way to bring down a card or strategy, I will just do the opposite and show you how I handled them:

Bottomless Trap Hole - De-Fusion, Dust Tornado, Seven Tools of the Bandit, Heavy Storm
Torrential Tribute - Solemn Judgment, Seven Tools of the Bandit, Heavy Storm
Solemn Judgment (on the Spell or Trap Card itself) - Seven Tools, Dust Tornado, Mystical Space Typhoon, Heavy Storm
Zaborg the Thunder Monarch - Solemn Judgment

Unlike most people, I actually try to run the negation cards. All those examples you listed can be applied to any Deck, including those CC Decks so I honestly see no point that you are making when you listed them. Every Deck is going to lose and every Deck will have at least 1 Deck that will for the majority of the time beat it. You can only prepare for so much in any type of Deck. Now with that said, even though when I play with my Cyber Dragon Deck, I do well enough, it does not fit my duel style so I only use it on rare times but I have used it with success. Not really hard to abuse your own Deck when you know how it works and thanks to cards like Infernal Reckless Summon, Last Will, Proto-Cyber Dragon it is all the more easier.
 
Now, do all of those cards you mentioned work in a Cyber Laser Dragon and Cyber Barrier Dragon Deck? Cause I know I can use all the cards I mentioned without bogging my Deck down.

The cards suck. Barrier can only use his effect in attack position. So that means you can take him out with Exiled Force, which slides in under bottomless, and then use Exiled Force's effect in main phase 2 to destroy Laser.

The cards suck.

And Im not asking if you have tried to build a general deck. Im talking about have you built THIS deck, and if it worked. You're skirting the answer because even you know deep down, they suck, but you've gone too far to admit it.
 
masterwoo0 said:
Now, do all of those cards you mentioned work in a Cyber Laser Dragon and Cyber Barrier Dragon Deck? Cause I know I can use all the cards I mentioned without bogging my Deck down.

The cards suck. Barrier can only use his effect in attack position. So that means you can take him out with Exiled Force, which slides in under bottomless, and then use Exiled Force's effect in main phase 2 to destroy Laser.

The cards suck.

And Im not asking if you have tried to build a general deck. Im talking about have you built THIS deck, and if it worked. You're skirting the answer because even you know deep down, they suck, but you've gone too far to admit it.
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Yes I built this Deck. I honestly cannot put it in simple terms. I have built an actual Cyber Dragon themed Deck. Just because YOU will get bogged down does not mean anyone else will. Like I said before countless times, if people would stop thinking this or that is garbage and actually stuck to the theme. I actually stuck to a Zane Deck completely and it works rather well. Just an example of the cards I have used in the Deck: Trap Jammer, Seven Tools of the Bandit, Solemn Judgment, Divine Wrath, Different Dimension Capsule, Polymerization, Power Bond, Last Will, Infernal Reckless Summon, Photon Generator Unit, Attack Reflector Unit, Dark Door, Call of the Haunted, Light of Intervention, Dust Tornado, Mystik Wok, Giant Trunade, Pikeru's Enchantment Circle, and so on.

At the core of it, Cyber Dragon is still a OTK when you get the winning condition on the field and obviously it takes the skill of at least a 10 year old to accomplish that. "The cards suck". Says you who clearly never tried to play them seriously. Yet, I say otherwise and through my own experience know that is not true. What do I have to fear from Snatch Steal, Sakuretsu Armor, Soul Exchange, and so on when I got Cyber Phoenix Out? What is my opponent going to do if I have a perfect defense and offense set-up with Cyber Barrier Dragon, Cyber Laser Dragon, Dark Door, and anything else to protect that until I get my winning condition?
 
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