Why is pulling the rug so stupid?

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exiledforcefreak

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So I'm at Shonen Jump Philly when my friend, who was playing in the regional day 2 and sometimes judges for me, comes up to me and tells me about how his opponent waited to see if he would pulling the rug his opponent's mobius and then pulled the "I never said I was activating his effect".

This promted a conversation which let me to describe how pulling the rub breaks the rules of how the game is supposed to work. Pulling the rug negates the summoning of a monster. If a monster's ability has an opportunity to trigger and be added to the chain the you have passed the point at which you can negate the summoning.

This then led me to go to John Williams with this conundrum. He then asked me how this was any different then when I'm activating Pulling the rug on ANY monarch. I then asked him the following:
"so, let me get this straight my opponent tribute sumons Mobius and decides to use its effect or not. When he does, I activate pulling the rug. At this point, we REWIND THE STATE OF GAMEPLAY to when the mobius was in the process of being summoned, and negate the summoning?! And the same goes for any monarch?"

John's response was merely nodding of the head. So I ask you, why is Pulling the rug so stupid?
 
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Well, there's one major flaw in your logic. Pulling the Rug negates the Trigger Effect of a monster when a monster is Normal Summoned. It does not negate the summon of a monster in any way. It's timing isn't any different from Bottomless Trap Hole or Torrential Tribute in that respect, other then the fact that it must be directly chained to the effect it's negating. It can only be activated after a successful summon.

But Pulling the Rug isn't a summon negator, so there's no "rewinding of the state of gameplay" taking place here. All it does is negate the effect of and destroy an Effect Monster that triggers when a monster was Normal Summoned, and that effect doesn't even have to originate from the monster that was summoned.
 
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exiledforcefreak said:
So I'm at Shonen Jump Philly when my friend, who was playing in the regional day 2 and sometimes judges for me, comes up to me and tells me about how his opponent waited to see if he would pulling the rug his opponent's mobius and then pulled the "I never said I was activating his effect".
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That would be proper gameplay procedure. The Turn Player should have declared if was activating the effect or not, and the non-Turn Player could have asked too.
 
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Ok, I feel it very necessary to point this out one more time, despite DJ saying it already...

"Pulling the Rug" is NOT a Summon Negator. It never has been and it never will be. It doesn't say anywhere in it's text that it negates the summon of ANY monster.

Plus, this topic has been asked, answered and explained on the Judge List.

I'm sorry, but any L3 should know this, no matter what. I don't care if you live in Alaska (no offense Kenji..;)), you should still know how "Pulling the Rug" works, and at the very least, what to look for in a Summon Negator.

Its crap like this that gives the L3 community a bad name...and I'm seriously getting very, very, VERY tired of it....

/rant
 
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Hey, we all tend to read things wrong once in awhile... this post wasn't useless at all... I needed to read Pulling the Rug 's effect clearly to see what the issue was and this thread pushed me into it. Thanks!
 
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I think everyone locks into that "Arrow" Symbol that all Counter Traps have, and how they are usually associated with "Negator-type" effects, and simply relate it to cards like Forced Back, Solemn Judgment, and Horn of Heaven.
 
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I remember a story told once on COG about two higher up judges arguing about how wave-motion cannon works in relation to another card. Then a level 1 judge comes over and ends the conversation by saying Wave-Motion cannon doesn't use counters.
 
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