XYZ-Dragon Cannon and Dimension Fusion

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I'm confused. I was looking at some rulings (yeah, I was looking at rulings o_O!), and I came across the ruling (an official one, I believe, from UDE's Specific Card Rulings) that XYZ-Dragon Cannon can be Special Summoned by Dimension Fusion if it is Special Summoned "properly" (with an AARJ ruling clarifying it as "properly through its effect." How can this be so if XY-Dragon Cannon, XZ-Tank Cannon, and YZ-Tank Dragon's rulings all say that they canNOT be Special Summoned properly (since the only proper way to summon a Fusion monster is by Fusion) and that they cannot be Special Summoned by Monster Reborn because of this? Isn't this essentially the same basic situation? Why is the result different? :?
 
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Mainly this involves XYZ itself (somewhat)....

If XYZ is a Fusion monster why not Valkyrion since it follows the same basic summoning process?
That or just make XYZ an "effect monster" like BLS-Envoy.

Makes me feel like the "bishop head" on rulings :bishop:
 
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Valkyrion isn't Fusion (and thus needs to be drawn from the Main Deck). XYZ is and sits there. (although, the latest post on the judge's board states Kevin doesn't know what to do with it either).
 
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I'm wondering if the wording here is making this harder than it actually seems.

From the FAQ (on Dimension Fusion):
"Dimension Fusion" can Special Summon "XYZ-Dragon Cannon" if it was Special Summoned properly first.

However, everyone is in agreement that XYZ-Dragon Cannon can never be Special Summoned properly first. Again from the FAQ (on XYZ Fusion Monsters):
You cannot Fusion Summon these monsters with "Polymerization" or "Fusion Gate", so it is impossible to Summon these monsters "properly".

Yes, the card can be special summoned (remove the X Head Cannon, Y Dragon Head, and Z Metal Tank from play), but since the card (as well as the other XYZ cards) was designated as a Fusion Monster and it is special summoned by its own unique summoning requirement and not by the use of Polymerization/Fusion Gate, then its summoning (which is a special summoning) was never "properly" done. Therefore, while the statement about "Dimension Fusion" and "XYZ Dragon Cannon" may be true, "XYZ Dragon Cannon" will never be able to live up to its requirements and therefore "Dimension Fusion" (and I would presume "Return From the Different Dimension" as well) cannot be used to bring a removed "XYZ Dragon Cannon" back to the field.

- Andrew
 
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Dlanaan said:
That's part of the issue. If it can never be properly summoned, then why put the ruling there since it would never be relevant.
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To mess with our heads? :boom:

You can also ask why make the ruling specific to XYZ Dragon Cannon and not XY Dragon Cannon, XZ Tank Cannon, and YZ Tank Dragon? Is there anything specifically special about XYZ compared to XY, XZ, and YZ in regards to how it is brought to the field?

- A
 
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Well, for that, it is merely a case of similar rulings. XYZ, XZ, YZ, XY all share the same method of summoning. So if it works for XYZ, it works for the others. It is why for cards like Monster Reborn, you don't have a ruling for each and every card with Special Summoning restrictions that can and cannot be Special Summoned.
 
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nice point!

Now I can't remember on xyz, if someone removes it from play doesn't it go back to the fusion deck? Or does it go removed from play?

For paladin: I think that goes back to fusion deck too, I can't remember it's been a while can some one clarify?
 
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Nope, in both cases, if the card is "removed from play", they are removed from play and don't go back to the fusion deck. A fusion card is returned to the fusion deck when an effect says to return the card to the player's hand.

- Andrew
 
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Dlanaan said:
Well, for that, it is merely a case of similar rulings. XYZ, XZ, YZ, XY all share the same method of summoning. So if it works for XYZ, it works for the others. It is why for cards like Monster Reborn, you don't have a ruling for each and every card with Special Summoning restrictions that can and cannot be Special Summoned.
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I have to admit D i have a real problem with this as well. The issue i have is with the "Special Summon" wording. Can XYZ and the like be properly Special Summoned? yes it can, through its effect. Can it be Fusion Summoned properly? no it cannot, there is no current way of pulling this off.

With that said, there is an additional problem layer that arrives with the fact that we are told that the Special Summoning of XYZ is not a cost requirement (like CED or BLS) but infact an actual restriction or condition for summoning. Similar to the Spirit Monsters.

Based on the rulings (other than the FAQ one) and rules for the nomi monsters, the only conclusion i come to, is that XYZ (and the like) can indeed be Special Summoned properly, but provides no other method of Special Summoning and thus cannot at all, be Special Summoned by another method (unless by some effect that specifically ingores the rules), regardless of "proper" summoning or not.

A wierd ruling indeed....
 
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