Yubel, Terror incarnate question

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I'm working on a yubel deck and I was just testing it, I ran into the opportunity to get two Terror Incarnates (Stage two of Yubel) on the field and was wondering, IF there were two Yubel, Terror incarnate on the field would they destroy each other during the end phase?



During your End Phase, destroy all other monsters on the field. If this card is removed from the field, you can Special Summon 1 "Yubel - The Ultimate Nightmare" from your hand, Deck or Graveyard.
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If indeed they do destroy one another then the controller would then be able to hit the field with two Yubel, The Ultimate Nightmare. allowing, hopefully, for some serious damage.
 
if it were something like: "at the beginning of the end phase destroy all other....." and both incarnate A and B are destroyed.

then it's a SEGOC, since incarnate A was destroyed by B, and vice versa, and the leveling up portion is independent of the monster destruction, out comes ultimate A and ultimate B
 
It doesn't say when during the End Phase to destroy all other monsters. Therefore they can't be chained to each other. It's an Ignition effect.

You'll only get to destroy 1 Yubel.
 
first off Id like to say its not an igniton effect
netrep said:
RulingsDestroying all other monsters during the End Phase is a Trigger Effect.
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second I can't find anything that says they would not form a chain.
 
You cannot chain Trigger Effects that do not activate at one specific instance. Since the End Phase is a period of time, you won't be allowed to chain the two Spell Speed 1 effects :).
 
Wierd, it's a Trigger Effect but has an unspecific trigger... "during"... so what if you have Ectoplasmer on the field? Can you Trigger one Yubel, then chain Ectoplasmer to it and destroy the other Yubel? Leaving the 1st Yubel on the field? I would say yes.
 
Oceanus said:
You cannot chain Trigger Effects that do not activate at one specific instance. Since the End Phase is a period of time, you won't be allowed to chain the two Spell Speed 1 effects :).
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can you point out to me where this info comes from? I still can't find anything that either verifies or denies this statment.

thanks!
 
It's in his statement... Yubel's effect in the End Phase is a Spell Speed 1 effect. Therefore, it can't be chained. So, once you activate one Yubel's effect... it will resolve before you can activate the other...

You can chain other effects to Yubel's effect as long as they are Spell Speed 2 or greater.
 
but in this case they would be activating at the same time.

advanced game play FAQ said:
Whenever you have simultaneous effects, resolve them in a chain, even if they are Spell Speed 1 effects. This is a special case when Spell Speed 1 effects can be chained to each other, because they are all trying to activate at the same time and the players are not choosing to activate them.
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but Yubel's effect allows some choosing of when it goes off since it only says "during". yes, I'm confused too... just like the first responders who said it's an Ignition Effect but Konami says it's a Trigger Effect. Seems like it's a "hybrid". Help Simon, help!
 
As far as I know, you can't manually activate multiple effects simultaneously. Even though it is event driven, unlike most triggers, the event is a time span, rather then a single moment or action. I don't see this being any different then multiple Treeborn Frogs in the Graveyard. When it's your Standby Phase, you activate and resolve each one separately. But in this case, the other Yubel - Terror Incarnate won't be around to activate its effect.
 
Digital Jedi said:
As far as I know, you can't manually activate multiple effects simultaneously. Even though it is event driven, unlike most triggers, the event is a time span, rather then a single moment or action. I don't see this being any different then multiple Treeborn Frogs in the Graveyard. When it's your Standby Phase, you activate and resolve each one separately. But in this case, the other Yubel - Terror Incarnate won't be around to activate its effect.
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Glad I decided to ask this before they became tournament legal. Hopefully this will be addressed officially (No offense DJ or to anyone else here) before they're legal.
 
During the End Phase, Yubel-Terror Incarnate activates it's effect and it triggers an event. One of the things that sticks out in my mind is the card text. It doesn't state that in order to Special Summon Ultimate, Terror must be tributed. It only states that during the End Phase you can destroy all other monsters. That means you can only destroy the other Yubel-Terror Incarnate. Once that happens, the one that is destroyed by the other Yubel's effect isn't around to activate it's effect. Even if you were to be able to chain the other Yubel's effect, only one would be destroyed. Since only one would be destroyed, you could only Special Summon one Ultimate Nightmare.

" When a face-up "Yubel - Terror Incarnate" is sent to Graveyard, removed from play, or returned to its owner's hand, its effect to Special Summon "Yubel - The Ultimate Nightmare" activates. This effect cannot be activated when it is returned to its owner's Deck."

"When "Yubel - Terror Incarnate" is removed from the field, its owner activates its effect. (If your opponent controls your "Yubel - Terror Incarnate" when it is removed from the field, you get the effect, not your opponent.)"

Since you can't just send Yubel-Terror to the graveyard, you'll have to destroy the other one to get it's effect. At the final end of the phase, the player will be left with one Yubel-Terror Incarnate and one Yubel-Ultimate Nightmare on the field when the opponent starts his Draw Phase.
 
i disagree horus.

there are two separate trigger effects here.
1. when it is the end phase, destroy all other monsters.
2. when incarnate is removed from the field, bring out ultimate terror.

since the monster destruction of incarnate has been deemed a trigger effect, both monsters trigger at the same time.

when the TP reaches the end phase, incarnate a's destruction triggers, as does incarnate b's destruction (SEGOC)

assuming the chain goes:

incarnate A => incarnate B

(edit: sorry, meant to put in an 'else')
resolve backwards:
1). incarnate B destroys everything else on the field (including incarnate A).
-incarnate a has been removed from a field and its second effect triggers causing the formation of a new chain
2). incarnate a's effect destroys incarnate B.
incarnate b's effect triggers and adds to the new chain.

first chain resolved.

chain 2.
incarnate a's effect to bring ultimate => incarnate b's effect to bring ultimate


resolve:

1). ultimate B is brought to the field
2). ultimate A is brought to the field

but this hinges on yubel terror incarnate's monster destruction trigger being able to resolve without it being face up on the field.
 
I see what your saying horus, but since they have officaly ruled it as a trigger effect that means as soon as you enter your end-phase both of the Yubel-Terror Incarnate would trigger their effects and thus form a chain. even if one is destroyed by the other in the chain, its effect still resolves. but since the second on the chain resolves first you would have 1 yubel - the ultimate nightmare on the field when the 1st yubel-terror incarnate resolves thus desrtoying 'the ultimate nightmare' currently on the field, then you get your other one. so you do infact only end up with one on the field at the end of your turn.
 
Your forgetting that this effect triggers "During your End Phase". There's nothing about it triggering as soon as you enter it. You trigger it, much the same way you activate Treeborn Frog during the Standby Phase. You can't choose to activate two Spell Speed 1 effects simultaneously. You activate one, then when it resolves you activate the other. If this activated as soon as you entered, then that would be different. But going by the wording, that wouldn't be the case.
 
yup your right. my bad. I went back and looked at the trigger effect section of the rule book. I allways assumed manditory triggers effects had to go off imideatly following the trigger, but it doesn't say anything about that! thanks for the clairification.:peace:

but then again, treeborn frog is an optional effect.....
 
Actually, Spell Speed 1 (including Mandatory Triggers) that attempt to activate at the same time are placed on a chain... I think the difference here is that even though Yubel's effect of destroying monsters is a Trigger it is not attempting to activate at the same time as the other Yubel. Therefore the rules of SEGOC do not apply.

UDE Advanced Game Play said:
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Sometimes, you will have simultaneous effects attempting to activate at the same time, such as when Mystic Tomato attacks Mystic Tomato, or 2 Sangans are sent to the Graveyard at the same time because of Dark Hole. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Whenever you have simultaneous effects, resolve them in a chain, even if they are Spell Speed 1 effects. This is a special case when Spell Speed 1 effects can be chained to each other, because they are all trying to activate at the same time and the players are not choosing to activate them. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If only one player has simultaneous effects being activated, then that player can choose the order in which they resolve. [/FONT][/FONT]
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That's the crux of what I'm trying to say. There are cases where Spell Speed 1 effects can activate at the same time. But those are strictly forced events. Yubel is not being forced to activate here. It's manual, which I find odd for a trigger, but manual nevertheless. The End Phase hits, and you decide where within the End Phase to activate it. It's Spell Speed 1, so you have to wait if you want to activate another Spell Speed 1 effect. You don't get to activate the other Yubel.
 
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