Anti-Spell Fragrance question

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skey23

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Ok, so I was looking over exiled's deck and noticed he has "Anti-Spell Fragrance" in his side deck. Well, I didn't remember what it did, so I clicked the link. When I read it, something immediately jumped out at me!

"...cannot activate them until their next turn."

What?..wait...that can't be right. ANY/ALL Spell Cards MUST be set and cannot be activated until the player's next turn.

So that means that even if I intentionally set my "Enemy Controller" or "Mystical Space Typhoon", that I CAN'T activate it until my next turn? That sucks!

Tell me it isn't so!
 
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Yeah... Come on guys... You gotta admit that it's not as cut and dried when you try to take some things at face value. Like I said, I've never played Anti-Spell Fragrance any different than how it is ruled, but knowing and guessing you're right are two sides of a coin, and I'd rather know my "guess" was right, than to later find out I "guessed" and now I know I was wrong.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
Yeah... Come on guys... You gotta admit that it's not as cut and dried when you try to take some things at face value. Like I said, I've never played Anti-Spell Fragrance any different than how it is ruled, but knowing and guessing you're right are two sides of a coin, and I'd rather know my "guess" was right, than to later find out I "guessed" and now I know I was wrong.
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that isnt a problem, were here to learn.

With all the shady rulings, it should be a bit more easier for us to have our mind set standard to theirs.
 
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The problem here was, when was there any question about how the card worked? In Ultimate Offerings case we had a clear problem as the card said one thing, but the Judges List said something else entirely. That wasn't the problem with Anti-Spell Fragrance. In this case we had a card that was pretty clear with its effect and then someone ASSUMED that maybe it worked differently. There was no evidence or insinuation that it didn't aplly to Quick-play Spell Cards. It was just one possibility that was being thrown out there with no real basis behind it.

We need to be careful with that, because we could second guess any and all effects that way. And then we would be having mile long thread discussions about things that dont really need to be discussed and detract from the real issues of the game.

I'll be the first to say that, yes, Ultimate Offering is completely screwed up in the way it's phrased. Not just the fact that only the controler can use it (which to me is fairly obvious. "A player" is completely different from "Both Players" or "You and your opponent" in this game) but also in the fact that it works during your opponent's Battle Phase and not YOUR Battle Phase. Thats just mistifying compared to its text and the fact that its a Spell Speed 2 effect. But this is completely different then what we had here. There wasn't a previous ruling or Judges List message that contradicted Anti-Spell Fragrance's text. Someone just read that into it.

This happned to a guy on Pojo once. He couldn't figure out why Dimension Wall read: "You can only activate this card when your opponent declares an attack with a monster." He was caught up in the wording of "with a monster". His question was "What else can your opponent attack with?" So this lead him to the conclusion that "an attack with a monster" meant "an attack on a monster". Meaning that Dimension Wall could not be activated if your opponent attacked you directly. (!!??)

And there was no convincing him otherwise. He insisted that UDE clarify the card text and would only accept an answer from Kenjiblade or Kevin Tewart themselves. Which he never got, by the way. When we start insinuating that "maybe" the text isn't worded properly then we creat unnecessary confusion. A good rule of thumb is to always take the card at face value first. Then wait to see if the rulings or the Official Judges List has a contradiction. Don't just assume every card might not be right. Your setting yourself up for unnecessary headaches.
 
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dude, you guys see the 2nd reply Skey Got?

dude, that was harsh, i bet ya Mr. Schultz was like "man this guy seriously is not getting it"

now, you know that when you get a reply like that from the Judges list you know you did something wrong. lol
 
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I really don't see where there was a problem with asking the question. Somebody was curious, we had some discussion, it was sent up to the Judge's list, and we got a final answer that confirmed what most believed anyway that the card text was accurate.

The UDE staff seems happy to answer these types of questions. It is the hard ones they let sit for ages. I doubt they were shocked or amazed someone would ask. It is as plausible a question as quite a lot of what is being answered on the Judge's List that we already have clear answers on. It is nice to make them feel useful and knowledgeable once in a while. :)

If anything I think the problem here was the severity in tone some of the responses took. If somebody makes an incorrect suggestion we can discuss it with civility and references instead of dismissal and disdain. This isn't (fill in the name of quite a few other forums which will remain nameless). I expect to see people shot down in flames elsewhere, we have a higher standard here.

And I'd like to think that just sometimes questions that someone is going to think are a no brainer and why are we even bothering to ask get some surprising results from the Judge's List which furthers our knowledge of the game.
 
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If you thought the 1st question was simple, then wait til you here the response I sent back!..lol...;)

Does "Anti-Spell Fragrance" affect Spell cards that were already set BEFORE it was activated?

Example:

I set "Anti-Spell Fragrance", then set "Mystical Space Typhoon" and end my turn. During my opponent's Draw Phase I activate "Anti-Spell Fragrance". Now, can I activate my set "Mystical Space Typhoon" later this turn, or do I still have to wait until MY next turn before I can activate it?

How about THAT!??...:dope:
 
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well yea and thats cool, the question was asked and we got an answer.

what happend after is what kinda bothers me. Because we got the answer but just like here, people wont accept it.

like i said, we have gotten some shady rulings before "Triangle ecstacy Sparks" is one of them since the card it self doesnt state that it needs to have a Harpy lady sisters on the field before activating.

I bet i wasnt the only one that thought you could use it as a Trap negator.. really, for a while if it wasnt for Oskar Darktide telling me i wouldnt have checked up on it to see if it was right, and he was.. and i no longer use the card.

but beyond that, once we get an answer from the list we should understand that its straight forward, and they are only humans, just like us.
 
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krazykidpsx said:
dude, you guys see the 2nd reply Skey Got?

dude, that was harsh, i bet ya Mr. Schultz was like "man this guy seriously is not getting it"

now, you know that when you get a reply like that from the Judges list you know you did something wrong. lol
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Yeah 'cause Curtis never makes a mistake with card wording or correct rulings. :)

Please, he was asked if he was sure and he acts like nobody should ever question him.
 
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Just to clear it up, just in case..lol...I didn't ask that 2nd question that made Curtis answer like that! That was somebody else!

[edit]I, for one, thought Curtis' answer was pretty straight forward and answered EXACTLY what I asked...lol.
 
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krazykidpsx said:
well yea and thats cool, the question was asked and we got an answer.

what happend after is what kinda bothers me. Because we got the answer but just like here, people wont accept it.

like i said, we have gotten some shady rulings before "Triangle ecstacy Sparks" is one of them since the card it self doesnt state that it needs to have a Harpy lady sisters on the field before activating.

I bet i wasnt the only one that thought you could use it as a Trap negator.. really, for a while if it wasnt for Oskar Darktide telling me i wouldnt have checked up on it to see if it was right, and he was.. and i no longer use the card.

but beyond that, once we get an answer from the list we should understand that its straight forward, and they are only humans, just like us.
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AGreed. I too had high hopes for Triangle Ecstacy and was quite disappointed with the ruling that I would have to have the sisters in order to play it (what a waste of a perfectly fine and otherwise balanced card).

For the most part I agree once we've got a ruling it should be considered a done deal. But how many partial rulings have we received from the Judge's List that left too many questions. And what about the occassional completely wrong with no way around it rulings that cause us headaches and finally require a complete retraction. Somebody has got to keep asking the questions or the game would be in even worse shape for than it is now.
 
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Don't get me wrong. It's not that I think if a person has a question that it shoudln't be asked. I'm just saying that there are times when we can read more into an effect than what's actually there. Yu-Gi-Oh! is notorious for misleading text. But lets not cause ourself more headaches by just assumoing an effect isn't reading the way its supposed to. If an effect doesn't have any reason to be interpreted any other way, then lets not get too caught up in the notion that it can be.
 
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well yea, its a good question. but over all, the card i belive only workes for cards after.

so if you previously set it, then its Emune to it, becuase you had already set it before unless it states that all spell cant be activated till next turn, then you have to deal with it and do it till it comes back to you :D
 
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