Any Thoughts on the next ban list?

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LeviaDragon

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i always seem to get the worst luck. When i built my darkworld, they banned gracefull. When my water deck was as it's prime, they banned sinister and tribe. Now that im running monarch, one of my buddies commented that they might restrich each monarch to one (except raiser and granmarg). so,, any thoughts on the next ban list (and any thought of monarch being restricted?)
 
Well, I can tell you what the ban list is for the World Championship 2007 game for the DS (the most recent one you can download) which is also what's being used for the WC07 tournament. Keep in mind that a) this is only for the video game and b) there's no indication 1 way or the other if any of these changes would be coming in September. Some of these are there due to either glitches or limitations in the software or due to the fact they don't want a 1 win, 2 draw winner. Further, UDE will have some influence over the finished product. That said, here you go:

Note: All cards on the current Ban/Restrict/Semi-Restrict list remain there except for a few cards which are more restrictive (meaning no card was downgraded).

Banned:
Dark Magician of Chaos
Cyber Blader
Reasoning
Reversal Quiz
Cloak and Dagger
Pineapple Blast
Ring of Destruction
Self-Destruct Button

Restricted:
Cyber Dragon
Manticore of Darkness
Mobius the Frost Monarch
Zaborg the Thunder Monarch
Wall of Revealing Light

Semi-Restricted
Green Gadget
Red Gadget
Yellow Gadget

Have fun with that.
 
Looks like I need to go back and play my game again, that's a kick butt list if I ever saw one, though it doesn't change Demise any, which is amusing, since I know I was using a Demise deck, as were many others. I haven't checked it out in almost a couple months, but I was hoping they'd release an updated list for their little game tournament that everyone could use.
 
CraniumX said:
Looks like I need to go back and play my game again, that's a kick butt list if I ever saw one, though it doesn't change Demise any, which is amusing, since I know I was using a Demise deck, as were many others. I haven't checked it out in almost a couple months, but I was hoping they'd release an updated list for their little game tournament that everyone could use.
Demise is just about dead in the water. With the recent Side Deck Techs, there are so many cross Deck uses that you aren't just siding against Demise, so you can virtually use one Side Deck against most of the popular Decks.
 
masterwoo0 said:
Demise is just about dead in the water. With the recent Side Deck Techs, there are so many cross Deck uses that you aren't just siding against Demise, so you can virtually use one Side Deck against most of the popular Decks.

That's why I'm still enjoying my Horus control/beatdown deck as well as my Gravekeeper's. They have only been better with the newer cards that came out in FOTB.
 
Based on Konami/UDE's thought processes the past few lists, and my own selfish whims, I'm inclined to wish for the following:

Forbidden:
Demise, King of Armageddon
Treeborn Frog
Dark Magician of Chaos

Limited:
Destiny Hero - Disk Commander
Card Trooper
-Each of the Monarchs

Semi:
Destiny Draw
Advanced Ritual Art
Destiny Hero - Dasher
Snipe Hunter

Some of that is questionable, I know. Most of it makes sense though really. Demise is obvious but Treeborn and DMoC are kinda iffy. I see them both very heavily abused, especially Treeborn in the next format. Disk Commander is far too easy to utilize; it's a shrimp, true, but drawing two cards with him is very easy. Card Trooper is everywhere and has a lot of potential combos; if that wasn't bad enough, he draws a card when he is destroyed. We have five Monarchs now so it's about time we thought about regulating them. The semi-limited stuff is there because those cards are really good, but ONLY in decks that support them.

Like I said...it's just my thoughts.
 
masterwoo0 said:
Demise is just about dead in the water. With the recent Side Deck Techs, there are so many cross Deck uses that you aren't just siding against Demise, so you can virtually use one Side Deck against most of the popular Decks.

I was actually talking about the video game in this respect, and not the American metagame, as on the video game, most people only play single duels instead of matches, so side decks really mean very little to that aspect, and Burn decks especially tend to rule the online game, but you still won't maindeck Des Wombats into your deck because it ruins your whole deck then. Same thing for other side-deck heavy counters, when you're just doing single duels using the game's online feature.

As far as the American "metagame" goes though, I think it's kind of crappy you see people maindecking up to 6 cards in their decks specifically to counter just one deck type in particular, even though it helps out against others, it still screams out a design flaw to me that I'd be surprised if at least one part gets put onto the restricted list in the future. Let's just hope they don't go overboard like they have so often in the past. If not, that's great, but just looking at the past, even with counters to certain decktypes, they almost always clip a deck that can quickly OTK the opponent in some way.

If you think about it right now, Demise is pretty much dead because everyone's playing the counters to it, often in the maindeck even instead of only the side deck. After a couple of months when it's cooled off the radar, and people start to let their guard down, it could very well come right back.

You never know what Konami's going to do, afterall. They restricted Mind Crush last time, which most people didn't think was warranted at all. From what I heard, it was just being maindecked in Japan so much as counters to Stratos, Gors, and the Sealed Gold Coffer, though that might not be true. They might even do the same to Trap Dustshoot for all we know.

As far as what I'd think about the upcoming ban list, I would hope they leave Advanced Ritual Art alone, and just restrict Demise or ban him altogether if they go that route. I don't feel all ritual monsters should take a beating just because of him.
I feel Brain Control should be restricted to 1. Many people might not agree with me, but even with its cost, it's still got a lot of power.

We don't even have the card yet over here, and may not get to play it, but Gors is probably one of the cheapest and broken cards I've ever seen in the game. I'd like to see it get all-out banned, but something tells me they probably won't. Destiny Hero - Malicious is also really cheap, especially combined with Treeborn Frog in certain decks. We may not have Foolish Burial over here yet, which just makes them both even better, but I definitely think there's potential for either Malicious to get restricted to 2 or banned outright, or for Foolish Burial to get a bump down perhaps.

Other than that, I'm not sure what to think might otherwise or hopefully be put onto the list, or even taken off. I'm hopeful Snatch Steal and Ring of Destruction will go bye bye, but I have my doubts there too, what with past lists and such. It's all pretty much just speculation anyway.

I'm always hopeful that Heavy Storm will get banned, I just want to see one list where it is and see how it shakes people up. This is just purely personal though, as it's just been one of the "power staples," and it's good to knock them down every so often to make people think a little more in how they make their decks. I'd like to see Royal Decree get restricted as well, it may not get used a lot, but I think you'd see more interesting decks and trap line-ups appearing if it were, instead of just the same ones over and over in every deck. I know most people won't and don't agree with me, but it tends to make things awful stale when you just see the same traps over and over.
 
I bet some of the DS game version of the banlist have to do with game glitches. I remember in the last year Gameboy game of 2006, that SoRL was banned cause when activated, flip monsters effects on your opponent side of the field doesn't activate. (When it suppose to) Such glitches just forces the game to just ban it outright. Or some other "non-TCG rulings" of the game program forces banning of some cards. (Reversal Quiz is another example. Last year, cause of game mechanic of doing mystic shine ball glitch or something like that to make Reversal Quiz into a OTK or a possible FTK deck made it broken)

For Ritual decks, it's just Advanced Ritual Art that's annoying and powerful. Demise by itself isn't broken at all. I mean, did we see Demise decks during the days of regulat Ritual Spells or Ritual Foregone Normal Spell card days? No. heck, I also thought about Demise OTK deck when Ritual Foregone was printed, but that was during when Metamorphosis was still 1x per deck and it was also a normal spell card and thus wasn't searchable by Ritual searchers, so I gave up.
 
Spacial collapse banned

Marshmellon to 1,
Foolish burrial to 1 or Treeborn frog Banned

Sheild crush might get some hate as well...

And there may be some broken secret rare in the next pack.

Other than that everything seems pretty stable... Ring/snatch will probably rotate with something else that isnt too bad... I dont see grace comming back though its been a better meta without draw cards. Id like to see Demise Banned even though its taken care of by the active side deck and mainboarded Pulling the rugs. However people sided well against Stein but, there was still the chance you didnt draw your anti stein and you lost with nothing you could have done about it. And you couldnt search most of the pieces of stein's combo.
 
Marshmallon is already restricted to 1. Has been for awhile. And Shield Crush won't be restricted. Like Fissure and Smashing Ground, it's a simple 1 for 1.
 
Wait? We're getting Foolish Burial? That won't be in the banlist at all. It's not "that" broken. Good card, but not broken. (yes, it'll be the cheeze way to toss in that Treeborn Frog for Monarch control deck, but still.) Same thing with Shield Crush, it's just an alternative to Smashing Ground. Think of it more like how we got Shrink. Good, but no where near broken level. (Think of it as an extra Nobleman of Crossout, but with less broken effect. For one thing, since it doesn't remove it from play, hitting a shield crush on a face-down Sangan, Sand Moth, Treeborn Frog, etc. is a bad thing)
 
Foolish Burial is in Structure Deck 13 which is rumored to be the 2nd Structure Deck we will get this year (which if they follow the standard release schedule of every 3 months, it would be released in October. SD10 came out in January, 11 was slated for April so following that, 12 would have been July and 13 in October).

Currently it is Unrestricted. However, expect it to become Restricted once the TCG does get it come next March. It is absolutely annoying in Perfect Circle decks.
 
Mere happenstance?

What is Gors?

And if SD13 is rumored to be the second structure we get this year, then what will be first?

As for the ban list, there are some events that occured by mere happenstance. For example, about a week before Cyber-Stein was banned, I originally played it in my BEWD Deck, but decided to put it in my incomplete Cyber Dragon Deck, mainly because I wanted to run more dragons to help out my BESD. Cyber-Stein was obviously more helpful in a Cyber Dragon Deck (which is very similar to a BEWD Deck), and gets out a Cyber End Dragon really fast.

In addition to that I played Demise in the Shonen Jump Philly, and just sold my Demise and Ruin about a week ago, mainly because I did not always get him. For some reason, I just have a feeling that Demise might be banned, and something may happen to Cyber Dragon. As stated in an previous post, I specifically decided to make my Cyber Dragon Deck traditional based.

For the moment I am trying not to play with any cards that were at one time banned, for fear they might be banned again, and that I have wasted my money. My incomplete Cyber Dragon deck also uses Ring of Destruction, which seems to work better. What makes my Cyber Dragon deck incomplete you may ask?
Obviously getting some Cyber Dragons which are difficult to obtain

My own personal speculations for the new ban list in the TCG:

Ban List
Ring of Destruction
Snatch Steal
Dark Magician of Chaos (same as MOF but more powerful)
Demise and Ruin (it's just Black Luster and Chaos Emperor Envoy all over again)
Mirror Force (mainly because of the advent of Radiant Mirror Force, and because this card was once banned anyway)

Restricted
Brain Control
Soul Exchange
Enemy Controller
Return from the Different Dimension
All Monarchs
Exiled Force
Lightning Vortex
Card Trooper
Shrink
Golden Chest of Sealing
Reversal Quiz (I actually lost the fourth round of SJ Philly to this card, in combination with Pigeonholing and Wall of Revealing Light, at least it was original)

Semi-Restricted
The Gadgets

Pineapple Blast, and Reasoning may only be banned in the video game, but not in the TCG it is just not necessary. Counters have their limitations in any game, and it may be my mere happenstance that you draw the card, and actually manage to set it the card without it being destroyed.
 
cameron2010 said:
What is Gors?

And if SD13 is rumored to be the second structure we get this year, then what will be first?

Semi-Restricted
The Gadgets
We got the Machine Deck.... Has it been that long that you forgot already?? lol
 
Yes, it has been that long. For some reasons structures don't really interest me that much, I prefer the singles from the Dark and Light Structure Decks. There so many things besides TCGs (like MTG and Yugioh) that are in my realm of life such as graduating from college, and work, and finding ways to make extra dough like selling my cards. Anyways thanks! lol
 
Gadgets would be a whole lot less useful if semi-limited. One of the only reasons they are so good is you can run them in 3s. And you still end up with a pair of them in hand half the time.
 
Seeing how Gadgets NEVER won a shounen jump ever so far in USA... I don't see it ever being semi-restricted or anything.

Yes it's tier 1, but not broken level, even with the shrinks out.
 
if what people are suggesting is ture then i don't like the sound this new list

Long live DMOC!!!
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