April 2006 Forbidden/Restricted list released

[Fuzzman]

Fuzzman Survive the list unscathed. Shame Cyber Jar had to go but we will all move on. Cool that Magician of Faith is at 2. Apart from that My decks didn't really get changed oh, Take out the Dark Hole's add in the Graceful Chraity and move on like nothing has happened. Ignorancne is bliss.

Edit: Hah, Nothing changed in my Dragon deck score.

 

[Inuyasha_Riku]

indeed fuzzman..i will miss Cyber Jar...my only problem is figuring out my monsters to traps to spells ratio...i seem to be using a lot more spells than i used to now that Dark Hole is gone...

 

[Tiso]

Mask of Darkness is restricted because of the Trap abuse from Victory Dragon lock. Spirit Reaper has enough drawbacks to not really go on the ban list. I can already think of Drillroid that people use, Mystic Swordsman LV2, and Sasuke Samurari. Then there is the rarely used Nanobreaker. Chrion will be playable just like a lot of other cards the second we get some major updated boosts in our card pool, say from another big reprint set and one that reprints like a vast majority of those old promos from Japan. That is just how the TCG is, cards get playable for the stupdiest reasons when they were playable already, but people want to have their trade-off ratios to be perfect.

 

[Jason_C]

Alright, I admit it: I've neither interest nor time to read through all these posts. So I apologize if any of this offends anyone, repeats anything that's already been said, etc. By all means, ignore this post.

NEW! - Cyber Jar, Dark Hole, Exchange of the Spirit, Last Turn, Time Seal

Cyber Jar: I really don't feel this was necessary, but I understand that the jar is on that "thresh-hold" between powerful and broken, and that its flipping and flopping on and off the Ban List is good to keep the meta rotating.

Dark Hole: Same as with Cyber Jar.

Exchange of the Spirit and Last Turn: THANK GOD! These cards, though not truly broken, mess the duel up WAY too much.

Time Seal: I don't feel this was necessary in the least, but it doesn't affect me much. I've never played this card or had it played against me, so I honestly don't care.

NEW! - D.D. Assailant, Drop Off, Graceful Charity, Last Will, Level Limit - Area B, Mask of Darkness, Mirror Force, Pot of Avarice, Treeborn Frog

DDA: Ok.

Drop Off: Ok.

Graceful: Dear Lord,

I thank you for possessing UDE and making all my dreams come true.

Amen.

Last Will: This was not in the least necessary. But I'm quite sure on the next list it will be semi-restricted, so it's all good.

Mirror Force: Same as Cyber Jar and Dark Hole.

The others: Ok.

NEW! - Apprentice Magician, Deck Devastation Virus, Magician of Faith, Nobleman of Crossout, Reflect Bounder

NoC: Yeah, it never needed to be resticted. I'm glad UDE woke up to that fact. *digs up his spare NoCs*

Reflect: Same.

Others: Ok.

NEW! - The following cards are no longer Limited: Abyss Soldier, Book of Taiyou

Same as with NoC.
http://www.cogonline.net/threads.15732#http://www.cogonline.net/threads.15732#http://www.cogonline.net/threads.15732#http://www.cogonline.net/threads.15732#

 

[Tiso]

Cyber Jar: I really don't feel this was necessary, but I understand that the jar is on that "thresh-hold" between powerful and broken, and that its flipping and flopping on and off the Ban List is good to keep the meta rotating.

Dark Hole: Same as with Cyber Jar.

Cyber Jar is on the thresh-hold of being broken. In fact it really is. Dark Hole had to be banned. As I said earlier, if anyone thinks otherwise he or she is living in delusion. Dark Hole = Raigeki and you are fooling yourself otherwise if you think not.

Exchange of the Spirit and Last Turn: THANK GOD! These cards, though not truly broken, mess the duel up WAY too much.','ycard','width=600,height=600'); return false;">Exchange of the Spirit and Last Turn: THANK GOD! These cards, though not truly broken, mess the duel up WAY too much.

Exchange of the Spirit should NEVER come back from it. It should be treated as Sixth Sense. The card was broken, lame, and homosexual in design. (not that being homosexual is bad, just stressing how cheap the card is). Any kid on the planet could make a Deck that was based around it. I mean Magical Merchant became popular all because of it. Last Turn added to the equation just made things even more cheap.

Time Seal: I don't feel this was necessary in the least, but it doesn't affect me much. I've never played this card or had it played against me, so I honestly don't care.','ycard','width=600,height=600'); return false;">Time Seal: I don't feel this was necessary in the least, but it doesn't affect me much. I've never played this card or had it played against me, so I honestly don't care.

Drop Off is restricted to 1 per Deck now.

D.D. Assailant: Ok.

This should have happened eons ago. Now if Konami would get the better sense to restrict Dimensional Warrior because it is only a amount of time before that sees play. I view that as the most dangerous card even if it was the first to come out. With Assailant your opponent was screwed it either way.

Graceful Charity: Dear Lord, I thank you for possessing UDE and making all my dreams come true.

Amen.

UDE had nothing to do with it.

Last Will: This was not in the least necessary. But I'm quite sure on the next list it will be semi-restricted, so it's all good.','ycard','width=600,height=600'); return false;">Last Will: This was not in the least necessary. But I'm quite sure on the next list it will be semi-restricted, so it's all good.

NoC: Yeah, it never needed to be resticted. I'm glad UDE woke up to that fact. *digs up his spare NoCs*

Nobleman of Crossout did need to be banned at the time last ban list. We still do not have cards to counter this or use as substitutes for it. The reason it is coming back to 2 per Deck is to teach the turbo users that abusing Magical Merchant, Magician of Faith, Mask of Darkness, Dekotrain thingy, and what other FLIP-FLOP monsters were being used a lesson.

In the end there really is no point in discussing the list this time of the year to begin with when it was only made for the OCG players, which the TCG players are forced to swallow and except for another 6 months. Sure we can talk about why that card was banned, why this card was restricted, but to a TCG player it will never make sense.','ycard','width=600,height=600'); return false;">

Again, UDE has no decisions when it comes to this list. This was an OCG list first and a TCG list second. UDE has their input in the 6 months and UDE tries to convey the messages to Konami all the time, but we already know Konami only cares about Elemental Heroes and not knowing how to manage their own game. Nobleman of Crossout did need to be banned at the time last ban list. We still do not have cards to counter this or use as substitutes for it. The reason it is coming back to 2 per Deck is to teach the turbo users that abusing Magical Merchant, Magician of Faith, Mask of Darkness, Dekotrain thingy, and what other FLIP-FLOP monsters were being used a lesson.

In the end there really is no point in discussing the list this time of the year to begin with when it was only made for the OCG players, which the TCG players are forced to swallow and except for another 6 months. Sure we can talk about why that card was banned, why this card was restricted, but to a TCG player it will never make sense.','ycard','width=600,height=600'); return false;">

You are joking right? It was necessary.

NoC: Yeah, it never needed to be resticted. I'm glad UDE woke up to that fact. *digs up his spare NoCs*

Nobleman of Crossout did need to be banned at the time last ban list. We still do not have cards to counter this or use as substitutes for it. The reason it is coming back to 2 per Deck is to teach the turbo users that abusing Magical Merchant, Magician of Faith, Mask of Darkness, Dekotrain thingy, and what other FLIP-FLOP monsters were being used a lesson.

In the end there really is no point in discussing the list this time of the year to begin with when it was only made for the OCG players, which the TCG players are forced to swallow and except for another 6 months. Sure we can talk about why that card was banned, why this card was restricted, but to a TCG player it will never make sense.','ycard','width=600,height=600'); return false;">

Again, UDE has no decisions when it comes to this list. This was an OCG list first and a TCG list second. UDE has their input in the 6 months and UDE tries to convey the messages to Konami all the time, but we already know Konami only cares about Elemental Heroes and not knowing how to manage their own game. Nobleman of Crossout did need to be banned at the time last ban list. We still do not have cards to counter this or use as substitutes for it. The reason it is coming back to 2 per Deck is to teach the turbo users that abusing Magical Merchant, Magician of Faith, Mask of Darkness, Dekotrain thingy, and what other FLIP-FLOP monsters were being used a lesson.

In the end there really is no point in discussing the list this time of the year to begin with when it was only made for the OCG players, which the TCG players are forced to swallow and except for another 6 months. Sure we can talk about why that card was banned, why this card was restricted, but to a TCG player it will never make sense.','ycard','width=600,height=600'); return false;">

Again, it is not meant to affect you, a TCG player. It was meant to stop the Victory Dragon Lock in Japan because of this card, which is the same reason Drop Off is restricted to 1 per Deck now.

D.D. Assailant: Ok.

This should have happened eons ago. Now if Konami would get the better sense to restrict Dimensional Warrior because it is only a amount of time before that sees play. I view that as the most dangerous card even if it was the first to come out. With Assailant your opponent was screwed it either way.

Graceful Charity: Dear Lord, I thank you for possessing UDE and making all my dreams come true.

Amen.

UDE had nothing to do with it.

Last Will: This was not in the least necessary. But I'm quite sure on the next list it will be semi-restricted, so it's all good.','ycard','width=600,height=600'); return false;">Last Will: This was not in the least necessary. But I'm quite sure on the next list it will be semi-restricted, so it's all good.

NoC: Yeah, it never needed to be resticted. I'm glad UDE woke up to that fact. *digs up his spare NoCs*

Nobleman of Crossout did need to be banned at the time last ban list. We still do not have cards to counter this or use as substitutes for it. The reason it is coming back to 2 per Deck is to teach the turbo users that abusing Magical Merchant, Magician of Faith, Mask of Darkness, Dekotrain thingy, and what other FLIP-FLOP monsters were being used a lesson.

In the end there really is no point in discussing the list this time of the year to begin with when it was only made for the OCG players, which the TCG players are forced to swallow and except for another 6 months. Sure we can talk about why that card was banned, why this card was restricted, but to a TCG player it will never make sense.','ycard','width=600,height=600'); return false;">

Again, UDE has no decisions when it comes to this list. This was an OCG list first and a TCG list second. UDE has their input in the 6 months and UDE tries to convey the messages to Konami all the time, but we already know Konami only cares about Elemental Heroes and not knowing how to manage their own game. Nobleman of Crossout did need to be banned at the time last ban list. We still do not have cards to counter this or use as substitutes for it. The reason it is coming back to 2 per Deck is to teach the turbo users that abusing Magical Merchant, Magician of Faith, Mask of Darkness, Dekotrain thingy, and what other FLIP-FLOP monsters were being used a lesson.

In the end there really is no point in discussing the list this time of the year to begin with when it was only made for the OCG players, which the TCG players are forced to swallow and except for another 6 months. Sure we can talk about why that card was banned, why this card was restricted, but to a TCG player it will never make sense.','ycard','width=600,height=600'); return false;">

You are joking right? It was necessary.

NoC: Yeah, it never needed to be resticted. I'm glad UDE woke up to that fact. *digs up his spare NoCs*

Nobleman of Crossout did need to be banned at the time last ban list. We still do not have cards to counter this or use as substitutes for it. The reason it is coming back to 2 per Deck is to teach the turbo users that abusing Magical Merchant, Magician of Faith, Mask of Darkness, Dekotrain thingy, and what other FLIP-FLOP monsters were being used a lesson.

In the end there really is no point in discussing the list this time of the year to begin with when it was only made for the OCG players, which the TCG players are forced to swallow and except for another 6 months. Sure we can talk about why that card was banned, why this card was restricted, but to a TCG player it will never make sense.','ycard','width=600,height=600'); return false;">

Again, UDE has no decisions when it comes to this list. This was an OCG list first and a TCG list second. UDE has their input in the 6 months and UDE tries to convey the messages to Konami all the time, but we already know Konami only cares about Elemental Heroes and not knowing how to manage their own game. Nobleman of Crossout did need to be banned at the time last ban list. We still do not have cards to counter this or use as substitutes for it. The reason it is coming back to 2 per Deck is to teach the turbo users that abusing Magical Merchant, Magician of Faith, Mask of Darkness, Dekotrain thingy, and what other FLIP-FLOP monsters were being used a lesson.

In the end there really is no point in discussing the list this time of the year to begin with when it was only made for the OCG players, which the TCG players are forced to swallow and except for another 6 months. Sure we can talk about why that card was banned, why this card was restricted, but to a TCG player it will never make sense.','ycard','width=600,height=600'); return false;">

The list as I said is overkill to a lot of Decks. Cards on there to send a message. Exchange of the Spirit should NEVER come back from it. It should be treated as Sixth Sense. The card was broken, lame, and homosexual in design. (not that being homosexual is bad, just stressing how cheap the card is). Any kid on the planet could make a Deck that was based around it. I mean Magical Merchant became popular all because of it. Last Turn added to the equation just made things even more cheap.

Time Seal: I don't feel this was necessary in the least, but it doesn't affect me much. I've never played this card or had it played against me, so I honestly don't care.','ycard','width=600,height=600'); return false;">Time Seal: I don't feel this was necessary in the least, but it doesn't affect me much. I've never played this card or had it played against me, so I honestly don't care.

Drop Off is restricted to 1 per Deck now.

D.D. Assailant: Ok.

This should have happened eons ago. Now if Konami would get the better sense to restrict Dimensional Warrior because it is only a amount of time before that sees play. I view that as the most dangerous card even if it was the first to come out. With Assailant your opponent was screwed it either way.

Graceful Charity: Dear Lord, I thank you for possessing UDE and making all my dreams come true.

Amen.

UDE had nothing to do with it.

Last Will: This was not in the least necessary. But I'm quite sure on the next list it will be semi-restricted, so it's all good.','ycard','width=600,height=600'); return false;">Last Will: This was not in the least necessary. But I'm quite sure on the next list it will be semi-restricted, so it's all good.

NoC: Yeah, it never needed to be resticted. I'm glad UDE woke up to that fact. *digs up his spare NoCs*

Nobleman of Crossout did need to be banned at the time last ban list. We still do not have cards to counter this or use as substitutes for it. The reason it is coming back to 2 per Deck is to teach the turbo users that abusing Magical Merchant, Magician of Faith, Mask of Darkness, Dekotrain thingy, and what other FLIP-FLOP monsters were being used a lesson.

In the end there really is no point in discussing the list this time of the year to begin with when it was only made for the OCG players, which the TCG players are forced to swallow and except for another 6 months. Sure we can talk about why that card was banned, why this card was restricted, but to a TCG player it will never make sense.','ycard','width=600,height=600'); return false;">

Again, UDE has no decisions when it comes to this list. This was an OCG list first and a TCG list second. UDE has their input in the 6 months and UDE tries to convey the messages to Konami all the time, but we already know Konami only cares about Elemental Heroes and not knowing how to manage their own game. Nobleman of Crossout did need to be banned at the time last ban list. We still do not have cards to counter this or use as substitutes for it. The reason it is coming back to 2 per Deck is to teach the turbo users that abusing Magical Merchant, Magician of Faith, Mask of Darkness, Dekotrain thingy, and what other FLIP-FLOP monsters were being used a lesson.

In the end there really is no point in discussing the list this time of the year to begin with when it was only made for the OCG players, which the TCG players are forced to swallow and except for another 6 months. Sure we can talk about why that card was banned, why this card was restricted, but to a TCG player it will never make sense.','ycard','width=600,height=600'); return false;">

You are joking right? It was necessary.

NoC: Yeah, it never needed to be resticted. I'm glad UDE woke up to that fact. *digs up his spare NoCs*

Nobleman of Crossout did need to be banned at the time last ban list. We still do not have cards to counter this or use as substitutes for it. The reason it is coming back to 2 per Deck is to teach the turbo users that abusing Magical Merchant, Magician of Faith, Mask of Darkness, Dekotrain thingy, and what other FLIP-FLOP monsters were being used a lesson.

In the end there really is no point in discussing the list this time of the year to begin with when it was only made for the OCG players, which the TCG players are forced to swallow and except for another 6 months. Sure we can talk about why that card was banned, why this card was restricted, but to a TCG player it will never make sense.','ycard','width=600,height=600'); return false;">

Again, UDE has no decisions when it comes to this list. This was an OCG list first and a TCG list second. UDE has their input in the 6 months and UDE tries to convey the messages to Konami all the time, but we already know Konami only cares about Elemental Heroes and not knowing how to manage their own game. Nobleman of Crossout did need to be banned at the time last ban list. We still do not have cards to counter this or use as substitutes for it. The reason it is coming back to 2 per Deck is to teach the turbo users that abusing Magical Merchant, Magician of Faith, Mask of Darkness, Dekotrain thingy, and what other FLIP-FLOP monsters were being used a lesson.

In the end there really is no point in discussing the list this time of the year to begin with when it was only made for the OCG players, which the TCG players are forced to swallow and except for another 6 months. Sure we can talk about why that card was banned, why this card was restricted, but to a TCG player it will never make sense.','ycard','width=600,height=600'); return false;">

Again, it is not meant to affect you, a TCG player. It was meant to stop the Victory Dragon Lock in Japan because of this card, which is the same reason Drop Off is restricted to 1 per Deck now.

D.D. Assailant: Ok.

This should have happened eons ago. Now if Konami would get the better sense to restrict Dimensional Warrior because it is only a amount of time before that sees play. I view that as the most dangerous card even if it was the first to come out. With Assailant your opponent was screwed it either way.

Graceful Charity: Dear Lord, I thank you for possessing UDE and making all my dreams come true.

Amen.

UDE had nothing to do with it.

Last Will: This was not in the least necessary. But I'm quite sure on the next list it will be semi-restricted, so it's all good.','ycard','width=600,height=600'); return false;">Last Will: This was not in the least necessary. But I'm quite sure on the next list it will be semi-restricted, so it's all good.

NoC: Yeah, it never needed to be resticted. I'm glad UDE woke up to that fact. *digs up his spare NoCs*

Nobleman of Crossout did need to be banned at the time last ban list. We still do not have cards to counter this or use as substitutes for it. The reason it is coming back to 2 per Deck is to teach the turbo users that abusing Magical Merchant, Magician of Faith, Mask of Darkness, Dekotrain thingy, and what other FLIP-FLOP monsters were being used a lesson.

In the end there really is no point in discussing the list this time of the year to begin with when it was only made for the OCG players, which the TCG players are forced to swallow and except for another 6 months. Sure we can talk about why that card was banned, why this card was restricted, but to a TCG player it will never make sense.','ycard','width=600,height=600'); return false;">

Again, UDE has no decisions when it comes to this list. This was an OCG list first and a TCG list second. UDE has their input in the 6 months and UDE tries to convey the messages to Konami all the time, but we already know Konami only cares about Elemental Heroes and not knowing how to manage their own game. Nobleman of Crossout did need to be banned at the time last ban list. We still do not have cards to counter this or use as substitutes for it. The reason it is coming back to 2 per Deck is to teach the turbo users that abusing Magical Merchant, Magician of Faith, Mask of Darkness, Dekotrain thingy, and what other FLIP-FLOP monsters were being used a lesson.

In the end there really is no point in discussing the list this time of the year to begin with when it was only made for the OCG players, which the TCG players are forced to swallow and except for another 6 months. Sure we can talk about why that card was banned, why this card was restricted, but to a TCG player it will never make sense.','ycard','width=600,height=600'); return false;">

You are joking right? It was necessary.

NoC: Yeah, it never needed to be resticted. I'm glad UDE woke up to that fact. *digs up his spare NoCs*

Nobleman of Crossout did need to be banned at the time last ban list. We still do not have cards to counter this or use as substitutes for it. The reason it is coming back to 2 per Deck is to teach the turbo users that abusing Magical Merchant, Magician of Faith, Mask of Darkness, Dekotrain thingy, and what other FLIP-FLOP monsters were being used a lesson.

In the end there really is no point in discussing the list this time of the year to begin with when it was only made for the OCG players, which the TCG players are forced to swallow and except for another 6 months. Sure we can talk about why that card was banned, why this card was restricted, but to a TCG player it will never make sense.','ycard','width=600,height=600'); return false;">

Again, UDE has no decisions when it comes to this list. This was an OCG list first and a TCG list second. UDE has their input in the 6 months and UDE tries to convey the messages to Konami all the time, but we already know Konami only cares about Elemental Heroes and not knowing how to manage their own game. Nobleman of Crossout did need to be banned at the time last ban list. We still do not have cards to counter this or use as substitutes for it. The reason it is coming back to 2 per Deck is to teach the turbo users that abusing Magical Merchant, Magician of Faith, Mask of Darkness, Dekotrain thingy, and what other FLIP-FLOP monsters were being used a lesson.

In the end there really is no point in discussing the list this time of the year to begin with when it was only made for the OCG players, which the TCG players are forced to swallow and except for another 6 months. Sure we can talk about why that card was banned, why this card was restricted, but to a TCG player it will never make sense.

 

[Jason_C]

Please do not tear apart my opinion like it serves no purpose other than to annoy you. It's my thoughts. I never said you had to agree with them. Of course, you have every right to disagree. In fact, you even have the right to voice your disagreement with them. But it helps if you provide logical Reasoning, rather than simply demeaning those who disagree with you.

As I said earlier, if anyone thinks otherwise he or she is living in delusion.

I do not take offense to this, because I know it was not meant to offend but simply emphasize and stress your point. However, please remember that insulting your opponent in an argument is an ad hominem logical fallacy. I may be deluded, insane, homosexual, whatever. But my opinion is still valid until you can disprove it. And since opinions cannot be proven or disproven, it remains valid.

 

[Tiso]

Dark Hole.

Destroy all monsters on the field.

Why do you think people used it? Point proven.

 

[masterwoo0]

What I find interesting is, up until last October, we shared the same Ban List "anyway". So, why is everyone making a big fuss about us "sharing" it again? It was nice to have our own list to go off with the October one, but it's over now, and who know's if we are even going to continue with the separation come THIS October.

Personally, I could care less about what cards came on or off, or what should be on or off. Just play the game.

If we stop complaining about Konami and UDE and what we even think they control, maybe we would be a lot farther than we are.

I'm so sure that the whole Konami Corporation sits around thinking of how to frustrate us players on a daily basis. We are no more than an after thought to probably a "handful" of people.

I'd like to know who, besides maybe Kevin Tewart, even knows the structure of Konami's Gaming Division? We talk about Konami all the time as if we somehow go on this magical tour every six months, and they give us the lowdown on how they arent going to give us new rulings or new Promo's.

"WE" are they reason "WE" are so frustrated. Why is it no one complains that Checkers only come in so many colors? Because its not about the parts to the game, its about the game as a whole. Either you're having fun, or you're not. Play the game as it is for this six months, or walk away.

 

[Tiso]

Because Woo, some people, like me, actually know what goes on in Yu-Gi-Oh!. UDE most likely will continue the different list because we do not have the same card pool. It is the logical choice and UDE has always voiced its opinions to Konami about fixing the game. Konami is to blame for most if not all of the bad decisions that have come with Yu-Gi-Oh!. Even more baffling is that the TCG are supposed to accept this list because of 1 tourney when UDE is the one who does the majority tourney work for the game itself in the first place. How would you feel if we had the same restriction list all the time? It would be unfair for the TCG game because we still have an inferior card pool to the OCG. This isn't like 10-20 cards, this is a gaggle of cards missing and new cards are always introduced in Japan through special promotions. I honestly do not see why everyone made a big deal about April's list when it was logical it would match Japan's. You have to be blind to not have seen it coming. The nightmare it would cause to have 2 different lists running around, and then make a Worlds only restriction list? Nightmare.

 

[Jason_C]

Because Woo, some people, like me, actually know what goes on in Yu-Gi-Oh!.

You'd be astounded at what the Master knows about this game. More than you and I put together.

 

[Tiso]

You'd be astounded at what the Master knows about this game. More than you and I put together.

You are making an assumption of what I or Woo knows which is a generalization I do not care for. Now I am not saying Woo knows less than me, or Woo knows more than me. At the same time, I hope Woo is not saying he knows more than me, or knows less than me. I will however say that as old as I am, as well knowledge in business practices and censor practices in this country I have more than enough knowledge to base my opinions, facts, etc on.

 

[masterwoo0]

I see where you are coming from as a player Tiso, but to say that UDE or Konami are a war with each other over the complexities of this game are just a little baffling to me. UDE is a Distributor. They make their own games, but they do not make the Yugioh TCG. First it was Bandai, then came Konami. If "I", as Konami, control a game, as far as content goes, do I care, or, how much input am I willing to accept from my Distributor when I have a successful game?

We constantly see that Yugioh is doing far better than most of the other TCG's that came before it or during its tenure.

Duel Masters
Yu-Yu
Pokemon

Magic the Gathering survives because there will always be a following for something that as a whole, is a more "streamlined" game, with a RPG based structure.

Konami will do as Konami wants to do and has been doing. Its obvious that they are treating us as secondary to the OCG when it comes to product. How easy would it be to give us the same Promo's and Boosters at the same time, rather than months apart. Is it because Japan is a testing environment? Make sure the Toy works before you sell it??

I dont know if that's the case, but if we, as the American Counterpart can never win a World Tourney, there must be something to say about the skill level of the Asian Players in Japan, and it cant be just because they have more cards to play with.

 

[Tiso]

That is the thing Woo, you are a distributor. Wouldn't you voice some opinions or concerns about a product you are selling, trying to make money off of? How are you going to gain profits if no one is playing the game due to Konami making the game unplayable? Wouldn't you try to voice the players concerns? It is not that they are at war with each other, it is just UDE knows what they are doing and they want to give insight on how to run this game because Konami doesn't. All Konami cares about is making money off this "gimmick" of a card game. It has all this potential for merchandise that it sells itself.

Now as for your list of TCGs, I have to respectifully disagree. Pokemon is not a TCG that was based off a TCG. It is still around because of the name "Pokemon". Duel Masters beats Yu-Gi-Oh! in Japan. A lot of people do not want to accept this, but the truth of the matter is Duel Masters is a superior game and the sooner North America understands that the better. Duel Masters is like Yu-Gi-Oh!, except for Duel Masters it is owned by the best TCG maker in the world, Wizards of the Coast. Guess who MTG is owned by? MTG has survived so long because it is a great game, run by experts who actually know how to run TCGs. These are the people that came up with Dungeons & Dragons. Duel Masters early on was playing MTG until they got their own card game called Duel Monsters in the series.

 

[masterwoo0]

But see, I cant be concerned with Japan and what goes on there with games. Pokemon being King over Yugioh has no bearing on the American environment. I dont play Pokemon because 100 Asian Kids in Japan do, I would play it because 100 Kids in America play it. And when it gets down to 10 Kids in America playing it, that means the game has died out HERE.

I appreciate the fact that UDE is trying to introduce structure into a game that Set by Set has increasing problems. But, without "starting over" from scratch, a patchwork job is only going to lose those gamers that have stuck with the game up to this point, as you will only have a never-ending loop of inconsistencies.

We keep talking about "Templating". In order to properly get this game going in the right direction, a template must exist for each game event, not allowing for "interpretation". The use of Errata's should be minimized to wording (such as "spelling") corrections and not whole text corrections.

You start the game over. Rebuild the card base, and you have a more solid game. It's never going to happen because we have gone well past the point of doing so. Konami replaced Bandai, and its relatively few sets, early enough to completely wipe clean most of what Bandai was to Yugioh.

Sometimes you just have to deal with something that will never be fixed enough to satisfy everyone, but is still thriving in sales enough to remain popular.

 

[djp952]

Gentlemen, let's start talking about the April 1st Forbidden/Limited list again. I'm enjoying reading this particular back and forth, but it belongs in a separate thread. I can see that it DOES have bearing to the list and how/why it is the way it is, but I think this thread should remain a discussion about the list itself

(I would really like to see this continue ... please do start it up again in it's own thread!)

 

[Tiso]

But see, I cant be concerned with Japan and what goes on there with games. Pokemon being King over Yugioh has no bearing on the American environment. I dont play Pokemon because 100 Asian Kids in Japan do, I would play it because 100 Kids in America play it. And when it gets down to 10 Kids in America playing it, that means the game has died out HERE.

I appreciate the fact that UDE is trying to introduce structure into a game that Set by Set has increasing problems. But, without "starting over" from scratch, a patchwork job is only going to lose those gamers that have stuck with the game up to this point, as you will only have a never-ending loop of inconsistencies.

We keep talking about "Templating". In order to properly get this game going in the right direction, a template must exist for each game event, not allowing for "interpretation". The use of Errata's should be minimized to wording (such as "spelling") corrections and not whole text corrections.

You start the game over. Rebuild the card base, and you have a more solid game. It's never going to happen because we have gone well past the point of doing so. Konami replaced Bandai, and its relatively few sets, early enough to completely wipe clean most of what Bandai was to Yugioh.

Sometimes you just have to deal with something that will never be fixed enough to satisfy everyone, but is still thriving in sales enough to remain popular.

But the thing is, the game can still be changed. Ruling changes and text changes are proof of that. You should be concerned with what goes on in Japan, because it is Japan that matters in the grand scheme of things. We already have a grand loop of inconsistencies already, and people have stuck with the game now. If Konami was really serious about fixing the game (which they are not) they easily could do so. Yeah, the only reason the game is still around is because of the mechandising and popularity of it.

 

[djp952]

Gentlemen, let's start talking about the April 1st Forbidden/Limited list again. I'm enjoying reading this particular back and forth, but it belongs in a separate thread. I can see that it DOES have bearing to the list and how/why it is the way it is, but I think this thread should remain a discussion about the list itself

(I would really like to see this continue ... please do start it up again in it's own thread!)

Good to see that you're paying so much attention to me, Tiso. (points up to self-quote)

<sarcasm>Thanks for heeding the requests of the moderators.</sarcasm>

:duel_no_j

 

[Tiso]

The posts are about the restriction lists. Just because it does not directly talk about cards, does not make it any less valid the discussion. We explored the outer elements as to why the lists are the way they are.

 

[djp952]

The posts are about the restriction lists. Just because it does not directly talk about cards, does not make it any less valid the discussion. We explored the outer elements as to why the lists are the way they are.

I understand as well as noted that in my public request for a topic Shift. Regardless, you were specifically asked to continue that conversation in a new thread since (just maybe) people might want to talk about the cards themselves. That's how the thread started, and the conversation along those lines was not finished yet by other members. OK?

edit: Did I close this thread? If so, it was unintentional. Opened!

 

[Digital Jedi]

Somebody in the control tower is messing with the mods again.