Battle phase skipping

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Let's say I have a face up Berserk Gorilla on the field and there is also and active Gravity Bind in play.

Usually it is impossible to skip my own battle phase with Berserk Gorilla, since it must attack if possible, however as it stands, Beserk gorilla cannot attack at all. Is it therefore possible to skip my own battle phase in this case?
 
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John Danker said:
How do you know that once you enter battle phase your Berserk Gorilla WON'T be able to attack? You're assuming that it won't. We won't know this until it's the timing is right for it's attack.
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If your opponent wanted to force you to attack they're free to make their move before you end your main phase one so there's no reason to force you to enter the Battle Phase if you can't attack.
 
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Just for the sake of argument... We all know that Beserk Gorilla's effect is continuous as long as he is face-up on the field (assuming that Skill Drain is not active and he is not in defense).

He cannot attack in Draw, Standby, or Main Phase 1. He can only attack in the Battle Phase.

"If" you never enter the Battle Phase, Beserk Gorilla is not prevented from attacking because there is currently no effect stopping him from doing so. Gravity Bind only prevents a Level 4 or higher Monster from attacking if it is in Battle. Again, you cannot "Battle" in Main Phase 1.

I understand everyone's point who says that you can skip the Battle Phase after Main Phase 1, but Beserk Gorilla's effect would seem to force him into the Battle Phase, where Gravity Bind's effect now prevents him from attacking.

Gravity Bind cannot influence him outside of the Battle Phase, even though we all know that as long as its not negated, you will NOT be able to attack on your Battle Phase if you have a Level 4 or higher monster.

Of course this is only food for thought as the rulebook does state that you can skip your Battle Phase after Main Phase 1.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
Just for the sake of argument... We all know that Beserk Gorilla's effect is continuous as long as he is face-up on the field (assuming that Skill Drain is not active and he is not in defense).

He cannot attack in Draw, Standby, or Main Phase 1. He can only attack in the Battle Phase.

"If" you never enter the Battle Phase, Beserk Gorilla is not prevented from attacking because there is currently no effect stopping him from doing so. Gravity Bind only prevents a Level 4 or higher Monster from attacking if it is in Battle. Again, you cannot "Battle" in Main Phase 1.

I understand everyone's point who says that you can skip the Battle Phase after Main Phase 1, but Beserk Gorilla's effect would seem to force him into the Battle Phase, where Gravity Bind's effect now prevents him from attacking.

Gravity Bind cannot influence him outside of the Battle Phase, even though we all know that as long as its not negated, you will NOT be able to attack on your Battle Phase if you have a Level 4 or higher monster.

Of course this is only food for thought as the rulebook does state that you can skip your Battle Phase after Main Phase 1.
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Then why use the
If your "Berserk Gorilla" can attack,
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part since this would apply to all cards which would prevent it from attacking and this effect would only apply when it's face up, if it's unable to attack due to being in defense it's destroyed anyway and so wouldn't make it to the Battle Phase. So there are no scenarios that I can see where, if the above arguement applies, that you cannot attack with a face up Beserk Gorilla and so the "if" is just misleading.
 
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It could simply be "bad wording". Not suggesting that it is, but stranger things have happened.

Maybe it just means, "If your Beserk Gorilla can attack, he must do battle", meaning, he can't just avoid attacking because your opponent has a 3000 attack monster on the field.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
It could simply be "bad wording". Not suggesting that it is, but stranger things have happened.

Maybe it just means, "If your Beserk Gorilla can attack, he must do battle", meaning, he can't just avoid attacking because your opponent has a 3000 attack monster on the field.
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True, one of the Q's I posted to the Judgelist regarding EF Vs. EoA was checking if the wording on activation costs was correct since the new ruling seems to try claim that activation costs are paid before activating the effect not "when", as it says in the FAQ. Your suggestion of :"If your Beserk Gorilla can attack, he must do battle" certainly makes sense, he wouldn't deserve the name if this wasn't the case, but then this would still not imply that you're required to enter the Battle Phase when there's a card on the field which will prevent Beserk Gorilla from attacking.
Anyone feel like posting this to the Judgelist to find out what's up?
 
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daivahataka said:
True, one of the Q's I posted to the Judgelist regarding EF Vs. EoA was checking if the wording on activation costs was correct since the new ruling seems to try claim that activation costs are paid before activating the effect not "when", as it says in the FAQ. Your suggestion of :"If your Beserk Gorilla can attack, he must do battle" certainly makes sense, he wouldn't deserve the name if this wasn't the case, but then this would still not imply that you're required to enter the Battle Phase when there's a card on the field which will prevent Beserk Gorilla from attacking.
Anyone feel like posting this to the Judgelist to find out what's up?
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I'm with you on this, you would not be forced.

Effects like G-Bind and Swords are actually Continuous Effects that place a condition-like effect on the applicable monsters themselves that states "this monster cannot attack" so you already know ahead of time that Berserk Gorilla cannot attack and would not be forced to enter the Battle Phase.

That is exactly why Horus LV6 is unaffected by Swords.
 
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John Danker said:
How do you know that once you enter battle phase your Berserk Gorilla WON'T be able to attack? You're assuming that it won't. We won't know this until it's the timing is right for it's attack.
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So I must enter my Battle Phase based on the possibility that Gravity Bind will be removed/negated somehow? I have to check to see if a situation will arise allowing me to attack? I don't get that one.

I'm arguing with John? ***gasp :eek: ****
 
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Digital Jedi said:
So I must enter my Battle Phase based on the possibility that Gravity Bind will be removed/negated somehow? I have to check to see if a situation will arise allowing me to attack? I don't get that one.

I'm arguing with John? ***gasp :eek: ****
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Lets go the other way....So you DON'T have to go into battle phase under the assumption that you won't be able to attack? That's reason enough?
 
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I doesn't seem to be an assumtion John.

There is an actual Continuous Effect in play and active that says "Berserk Gorilla cannot attack" (ok not literally "him" but you get what i mean).

I would think you do not have to enter the Battle Phase.
 
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novastar said:
I doesn't seem to be an assumtion John.

There is an actual Continuous Effect in play and active that says "Berserk Gorilla cannot attack" (ok not literally "him" but you get what i mean).

I would think you do not have to enter the Battle Phase.
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You're right, there is a continuous effect at this point in main phase 1...So? What has that to do with the battle phase in which Berserk Gorilla's effect comes into play?

I did submit this question to the board....and the answer follows...or should I say the non-answer?

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Let's say I have a face up Berserk Gorilla on the field and there is also and
active Gravity Bind in play.

Usually it is impossible to skip my own battle phase with Berserk Gorilla,
since it must attack if possible, however as it stands, Beserk gorilla cannot
attack at all. Is it therefore possible to skip my own battle phase in this case?

Why does this matter to them?

- The Moderator
 
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Well, Berserk seems to have more than just an effect that applies in the Battle Phase since it actually forces you to enter an optional Phase.

I would simply think that G-Bind would have the reverse implication.

It's cool if they say differently, it's not really that much of a problem.
 
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I recieved this reply back from Curtis yesterday.....

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Dan and Kevin wanted to know "why is this important."

So I'm asking you why its important.

Because we don't see their reason for even asking this.

Curtis Schultz

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In other words they want to know why the answer to this question (The original question that started this thread) is imporant. What is could happen that would change the outcome?

So give me your scenarios and I'll e-mail them back. Personally, I think they've already spent more time and energy e-mailing me back and forth twice than it would have taken to just answer the question....but they want a reason <shrug>
 
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Scenario 1: Player A has 2200 life points remianing (or 2001-2199) Player A has berserk gorrilla on the field and a Banner of Courage on the field> Player B has set Ring of Destruction and g-bind (and lots of lifepoints)

Now if the battle phase is forced Player B will be able to win the game by destroying Berserk Gorilla when it is at 2200 atk, but if the battle phase is not force Berserk Gorilla will remain only at 2000 atk

Scenario 2: Player B has a face-down Magical Hats, a monster and a face-up Ultimate Offering, player b is wanting to use Magical Hats to bring spell and trap cards to the field to tribute summon a level 7+ monster (or Moisture Creature) if the battle phase is forced player b can do that.

(or perhaps player b just wants to thin his deck)

Scenario 3: Player A has a deck that runs 3 Barrel Behind the Doors (player b saw this in duel 1). Player A has 2000- life points and Berserk Gorilla on the field (and 1 or more set cards). Player b has g-bind face-up, and a set Ring of Destruction and Trap Jammer, player A wants to activate Ring of Destruction in the battle phase so s/he could protect it from a Barrel Behind the Door if player b has one set.

is the battle phase forced? Can player b win the game there? Or will player A have a chance to win before player b's battle phase rolls around...
 
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Thank you for your examples regarding this question DaGuyWitBluGlasses, originally I don't think they were all too concerned about it but after I sent in some examples they added it to the list to be cleared up.
 
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DaGuyWitBluGlasses said:
And the answer is:
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At least that's one ruling change which has cleared something up, a simple errata to Beserk Gorrilla would've done the trick but either way it's cleared up.

John Danker said:
Thank you for your examples regarding this question DaGuyWitBluGlasses, originally I don't think they were all too concerned about it but after I sent in some examples they added it to the list to be cleared up.
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Since you seem to be good buds with them do you know if Exiled Force Vs EoA was on the list?;)
Suddenly have this vision of John Danker under a table with a stethoscope... (*Simpsons reference*)
 
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