Blockman, etc RULE changes

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Tiso

Calculative Duelist
http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=9336

A lot of other ruling suggestions they want to give to Konami like Thunder Dragon for example.

http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=9337

This talks about the headace of Level Modulation wanting to be changed and the fact that it seems JERP was right about Elemental Hero Rampart Blaster, she friggin SUCKS and Japan is just too ARGH to give an explaination as to why your opponent must not have any monsters out for it to Direct Attack.
 
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Regardless of whether or not it goes into RONIN anytime soon, I personally appreciate the public notice that they are working on such things. There is usually too large of a void, and things like this help to fill that.

And just to reiterate for anyone else peeking in, we don't put anything into RONIN or netrep until it's either public on the web (rulings/errata) or we have a darn good idea (and I mean DARN GOOD) it's correct and either very near the release date or available somewhere like eBay (cards). [Note that there are cases when even if it's on eBay it's obvious that it shouldn't be in RONIN -- MDP2]

As an example, there has been much ado over TP8 data ... I may have misinterpreted the proper release date as last week and will have to be more careful moving forward as to when we should post things. I've made a request of sorts to someone, and if they agree, release dates should not be a problem anymore. If not, I'll continue to do my best to judge these things based on rumor and innuendo like always. But for rulings and errata there is no question: they must be on the official UDE site first. Without exception.
 
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I like the Swords of Revealing Light clarification. Although, I wasn't aware that monster could declare an attack. :haveaday_

Yes, Blockman was "nerfed". But I'm still playing him.
 
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It is not that he was nerfed, he was always that to begin with or he had been there along Treeborn Frog being restricted in the OCG. This is one of the reasons why I cut UDE slack because it is almost always Konami that intends to continue not knowing what the heck to do with their own game. This is why I appreciate UDE for putting Konami in their place so to speak on how to manage a TCG. Thunder Dragon change will be interesting and Swords of Revealing Light should have been pretty obvious.
 
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well, creatures never declare attack, even in the rule book it states that the player declares an attack, but i guess...

they should have left it as is... and just keep the rule about creatures with protection from spells cannot be legal targets for a player to declare an attack with.

but its their game... :)
 
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krazykidpsx said:
well, creatures never declare attack, even in the rule book it states that the player declares an attack, but i guess...

they should have left it as is... and just keep the rule about creatures with protection from spells cannot be legal targets for a player to declare an attack with.

but its their game... :)
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There's two different kinds of players, always has been.

There is the player that is an actual part of the game.

Then there is the player that has to do the physical labour, because the cards can't make things happen on their own.

There's no way grammatically to distinguish between the two, and thus one's only left with a fallacious appeal to omission (The rulebook doesn't say that monsters declare attacks).
 
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It does not skirt on it, it is pretty obvious you could always have Tributed it the same turn. It counts as your turn. It does not say your FULL turn. The second its your field during your turn, it counts as 1 turn already. But then why bother to Tribute it unless you want to escape the rarely played Trap Hole or combo it with Torrential Tribute and after that resolves get the token.
 
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Tiso said:
It is not that he was nerfed, he was always that to begin with or he had been there along Treeborn Frog being restricted in the OCG. This is one of the reasons why I cut UDE slack because it is almost always Konami that intends to continue not knowing what the heck to do with their own game. This is why I appreciate UDE for putting Konami in their place so to speak on how to manage a TCG. Thunder Dragon change will be interesting and Swords of Revealing Light should have been pretty obvious.
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Forgive me for paraphrasing but I seem to recall someone from UDE saying something along the lines of "We don't care what they do in Japan we'll do it our way until they Officially tell us we are wrong."

UDE putting Konami in their place? How do you figure? Konami had the right ruling for Blockman, everyone knew that the english card text was in error, but for whatever reason instead of an immediate post for errata like what we got with Ocean Dragon Lord we instead got an article suggesting to use the card's english text and use it in a way which was going to be corrected once the rulings pipeline caught up to it. This has happened before and I can't imagine it won't keep showing up as the addition of a new face didn't remove those faces that seem to be the root of this problem.

I'll certainly agree that Konami should have someone helping with card text translations (truth be told someone else actually writing the Japanese card text for clarity instead of to sound cool would at least be a good start). But do you seriously think that the guys that stubbornly refuse to acknowledge rulings until they are forced upon them are the ones you want to be the watch group to QC the process? Konami should definitely take blame for many things, not releasing cards in the TCG to catch up with OCG, bad translation text, and more than anything else they are guilty of caring so little for the TCG market that they allow UDE to remain the representatives for their game outside of Japan. That more than any other mistake is the one that they are most guilty of.
 
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There are at least 2 instances of UDE putting Konami in their place in the past that they said in one of those post, another if you count the ludacris ruling on Elemental Hero Rampart Blaster in Japan (even they admit the card makes no mention of it) that UDE decided by choice not to put it in the FAQ. Konami is to blame for pretty much the majority of things. UDE has the right way of thinking when it comes "Screw what Konami does."
 
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Justin Reilly said:
Dark Magician of Chaos

When this card is Normal Summoned or Special Summoned, you can SELECT AND add 1 Spell Card from your Graveyard to your hand. A monster that is destroyed by this monster as a result of battle is removed from play instead of going to the Graveyard. If this face-up card is REMOVED FROM THE FIELD, it is removed from play. (removed "destroyed or")



Notes:

1. Use of "select" makes it clear this targets the Spell Card in the Graveyard. (So doesn't work while "Necrovalley" is out.)

2. Old English text made it sound like he's removed from play if destroyed in the hand. Not true. He's removed from play if removed from the field while face-up.

Monsters that are returned to the hand from the field shouldn't have any effect that activates. Since cards like Penguin Soldier don't send any monsters to the player's hand until resolution. By this point Dark Magician of Chaos would be in the player's hand where it can't activate. This is more of an inconsistancy to me. However, Konami doesn't like basic logic that you learn from experience from grade school.

Also, how the card is worded to add a Spell card to your hand from your Graveyard is fine. The whole "you can add 1 Spell Card from your Graveyard to your hand." is indicating a targetting effect. You still have to select it reguardless if it would say "Select", "Choose", "Target", or "Designate" in the card text. We don't need to be spoon fed that badly.



Thunder Dragon

Discard this card from YOUR HAND TO ADD up to 2 "Thunder Dragon" cards from your Deck to your hand. Then shuffle your Deck. You can only use this effect during your Main Phase. (removed: "to the Graveyard")



1. Discarded from your hand. Period. Not to the Graveyard. Not to YOUR Graveyard. Just discarded.

This I agree with.



Beast Soul Swap

Return to the owner's hand 1 face-up Beast-Type monster on your side of the field, and the owner of that card Special Summons 1 Beast-Type monster FROM THEIR HAND that has the same Level as the monster that you returned.



1. Our version of the card never did say where you summoned from, although we've ruled it's "from their hand" since the card came out.

Ok, this one is pretty ridiculous on Konami's part in screwing up translation. I agree with this one of course.



Blockman

By Tributing this face-up card, Special Summon in Defense Position a number of "Block Tokens" (Rock-Type/EARTH/Level 4/ATK 1000/DEF 1500) equal to the number of YOUR TURNS this card has been face-up on your side of the field. These tokens cannot declare an attack.



1. Poor "Blockman". Nerfed.

Never was nerfed..btw, what the heck does nerf mean anyway? Sounds like some kind of marshmellow brand name or that toy commercial about foam footballs I saw a few years back.

Anyway, this card doesn't really need to have "your" in front of "turns" anyway. Blockman will never count your opponent's turns because of the fact they could take control of the card with Enemy Controller, Brain Control, Snatch Steal, Change of Heart, etc. Then it would have been face up on their side of the field for a total of zero turns.

I'm more interested to know if you can tribute it the turn you summoned it and get a token or not. That's more important than adding a single word to the card text that you can easily explain.<shrugs>



Sword of Revealing Light

Flip all face-down monsters on your opponent's side of the field face-up. This card remains face-up on the field for 3 of your opponent's turns. While this card is face-up on the field, MONSTERS ON YOUR OPPONENT'S SIDE OF THE FIELD CANNOT DECLARE ATTACKS.



1. Turns out that the original (from LOB) text was closer than the "fixed" (from Yugi Evolution & Dark Beginning) text. Swords stops monsters from attacking, not your opponent. That's why monsters unaffected by Spell Cards can still attack.

Monsters never will attack on their own without the player declaring if they're attacking or not. The current card text of Swords of Revealing Light is a lot better than Justin's version. The only text change Swords of Revealing Light needs, if even that, would be to change "This card remains face-up on the field for 3 of your opponent's turns." to "This card remains face-up on the field until the end of your opponent's 3rd End Phase after activation." Not really needed, but it would be the only text change needed at all for the card.



Fairy's Hand Mirror

YOU CAN ONLY ACTIVATE THIS CARD WHEN YOUR OPPONENT ACTIVATES A SPELL CARD THAT TARGETS 1 MONSTER ON THE FIELD. SWITCH THE TARGET OF THAT SPELL CARD TO ANOTHER CORRECT TARGET.



1. This one has bugged people for years. "Why doesn't this work with Monster Reborn?" Fixed.

I agree with this one as well. Pretty old card though -- from Spell Ruler booster set.
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My comments/opinions are bolded in the quote.
 
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Tkwiget said:
Sword of Revealing Light

Flip all face-down monsters on your opponent's side of the field face-up. This card remains face-up on the field for 3 of your opponent's turns. While this card is face-up on the field, MONSTERS ON YOUR OPPONENT'S SIDE OF THE FIELD CANNOT DECLARE ATTACKS.



1. Turns out that the original (from LOB) text was closer than the "fixed" (from Yugi Evolution & Dark Beginning) text. Swords stops monsters from attacking, not your opponent. That's why monsters unaffected by Spell Cards can still attack.

Monsters never will attack on their own without the player declaring if they're attacking or not. The current card text of [url="http://www.cogonline.net/threads.16416&page=2&pp=15#"][url="http://www.cogonline.net/threads.16416&page=2&pp=15#"][url="http://www.cogonline.net/threads.16416&page=2&pp=15#"][url="http://www.cogonline.net/threads.16416&page=2&pp=15#"]Swords of Revealing Light[/url][/url][/url][/url] is a lot better than Justin's version. The only text change [url="http://www.cogonline.net/threads.16416&page=2&pp=15#"][url="http://www.cogonline.net/threads.16416&page=2&pp=15#"][url="http://www.cogonline.net/threads.16416&page=2&pp=15#"][url="http://www.cogonline.net/threads.16416&page=2&pp=15#"]Swords of Revealing Light[/url][/url][/url][/url] needs, if even that, would be to change "This card remains face-up on the field for 3 of your opponent's turns." to "This card remains face-up on the field until the end of your opponent's 3rd End Phase after activation." Not really needed, but it would be the only text change needed at all for the card.
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that's not "Justin's Version", like he said himself, that's how it's worded in Japanese, that's also the difference between "'Silent Swordsman LV5' can attack under 'Swords of Revealing Light'" and "'Tenkabito Shien' can't attack under 'Threatening Roar'".
 
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