Book of Life vs Call of the Haunted

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If Player A has only one monster in the Graveyard and has a Call of the Haunted set and Player B uses Book of Life, Player A chain Call of the Haunted to reborn the only monster in the Graveyard, Player B can special summon a Zombie monster or not?
 
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Yea, cuz at the time of activation of Book of Life the timing was right. Meaning your opponent had a monster in the graveyard to remove. So you will be able to special summon a Zombie from the graveyard, but not remove a monster from your opponent's graveyard.
 
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Well, not quite. In order for Ceasefire to be a legal activation there must be a face down monster and / or a face up effect monster on the field.

In the senario of Book of Life chained to by CotH, The conditions were correct for activation of Book of Life, the fact that conditions changed after activation by means of CotH does not negate that the conditions were correct for Book of Life at activation.
 
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Yes, sir, I know. But what I am confused about is not being able to activate Book of Life when there is no monster in your opponent's grave. Given the Ceasefire ruling, I figure as long as there is at least one monster in your OR, OR! in you're opponent's grave, you should be able to activate it.
-pssvr
 
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If there are no monsters in your opponents graveyard at the time of activation on Book of Life then you can not remove anything so therefore you can not fufill the conditions in order to use it. It is the first ruling on the page for Book of Life if that helps any.

You cannot activate "Book of Life" if there is no monster in the Graveyard to remove from play.
 
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pssvr said:
Ok, I'm lost. Book of Life's ruling says you cannot activate it if there is no monster to remove. Yet, I have been told, you can activate Ceasefire even if there is no face down monster, or no effect monsters on the field, as long as at least ONE of them exists. So why this ruling on Book of Life?
-pssvr
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The part of Ceasefire, where you could activate if there's no effect monster on the field. You cannot do that (You cannot acitavte cards like "Ceasefire" when there is no chance for the card to hanve any effect), now if there are effect monster(s) or a face down monster(s) on the field you could. The negating effect of Flip Monsters is just part of the effect of Ceasefire.

Now on Book of Life, its the condition of the activation. For example, if I have a Dragon Type of Monster on the field and I activate Stamping Destruction. My opponent uses Ring of Destruction to destroy my dragon. Now at the time when I actived Stamping Destruction, the conditions were right.

In general, if a card has specific conditions in order to be activated, those conditions only have to be correct at the time the card is activated. If they are no longer correct when the card resolves, the card's effect still resolves. http://www.upperdeckentertainment.com/yugioh/en/faq_advanced.aspx
 
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I see what you're getting at now. Yugioh rules don't always make sense obviously! <laffin>

Perhaps it's something to do with the "possibility" of Ceasefire inflicting lp damage.
Much like Acid Trap Hole. When you have a face down monster one doesn't know if Acid Trap Hole's effect of destroying a monster will activate. It's a card designed as a "check" as much as it is to destroy or inflict lp damage.
 
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John Danker said:
I see what you're getting at now. Yugioh rules don't always make sense obviously! <laffin>

Perhaps it's something to do with the "possibility" of Ceasefire inflicting lp damage.
Much like Acid Trap Hole. When you have a face down monster one doesn't know if Acid Trap Hole's effect of destroying a monster will activate. It's a card designed as a "check" as much as it is to destroy or inflict lp damage.
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If I understand you, sir, you are saying that I CAN activate Ceasefire if there is at least one f/d monster, but CANNOT activate it if there is an effect monster but NOT a f/d monster?
-pssvr
 
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pssvr said:
If I understand you, sir, you are saying that I CAN activate Ceasefire if there is at least one f/d monster, but CANNOT activate it if there is an effect monster but NOT a f/d monster?
-pssvr
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You got the first one right. You could only acitvate Ceasefire, if there's a face-down defense position, and/or and face-up effect monster on the field. Cards like Ceasefire, it must do something. Flip a face-down monster to face-up, or inflict damage.
 
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Any face down monster on the field=correct activation
Any face up effect monster only on the field=correct activation
Face up non-effect monster only on the field=incorrect timing.

Is that more clear?
 
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John Danker said:
Any face down monster on the field=correct activation
Any face up effect monster only on the field=correct activation
Face up non-effect monster only on the field=incorrect timing.

Is that more clear?
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Absolutely, 100% clear, BUT, BUT! what about this?
Monster in your grave = correct activation
Monster in opponent's grave = correct activation
No monsters = incorrect activation
I know the above is inacurate, yet it seems to follow the same logic as what you said, sir.
-pssvr
 
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pssvr said:
Absolutely, 100% clear, BUT, BUT! what about this?
Monster in your grave = correct activation
Monster in opponent's grave = correct activation
No monsters = incorrect activation
I know the above is inacurate, yet it seems to follow the same logic as what you said, sir.
-pssvr
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You have to look at the text of "Book of Life" again. Notice the word 'and'. That's the kicker. You and your opponent must have at least 1 monster in your respective Graveyards in order to activate the card. It doesn't matter what happens to them after activation. So let's make a new 'chart', shall we!

Monster in your grave and monster in your opponent's grave = correct activation
Monster in your grave, but no monster in your opponent's grave = incorrect activation
Monster in your opponent's grave, but no monster in your grave = incorrect activation

Here's another fun fact. What would happen if I activated "Book of Life" targeting my "Vampire Lord", and your "Exiled Force", and you chained with "Disappear" to remove my "Vampire Lord" from play. Would I still get to remove your "Exiled Force" from play?
 
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pssvr said:
Absolutely, 100% clear, BUT, BUT! what about this?
Monster in your grave = correct activation
Monster in opponent's grave = correct activation
No monsters = incorrect activation
I know the above is inacurate, yet it seems to follow the same logic as what you said, sir.
-pssvr
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The correct way to put it is

Monster in your graveyard and monster in opponent graveyard = correct activation of book lof life

Monster in opponent and none in yours = incorrect

Monster in yours and none in opponenent = incorrect

For Book of Life that is
 
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pssvr said:
Thank you. But WHY?????? is the question here. It seems to follow exactly the same logic as Ceasefire does...
-pssvr
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Well, not exactly. If you look at the text of Ceasefire, you'll notice it's three separate sentences.

1. Flip all face-down monsters face-up.
2. No flip effects are activated at this time.
3. Inflict 500 points damage for each effect monster.

Because they are separated, it 'usually' denotes the actions are not 'bound' together or not 'dependant' upon each other. (I could be wrong here) Since they are not dependant on each other, you simply have to satisfy one or the other, but both are not required.

Hope this helps!
 
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