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lets say you use brain jackers effect and gain control of your opponents monster. Can your opponent use mst or some other spell/trap destruction to get rid of brain jacker?? Cause Brain Jacker reads as:


FLIP: Equip this card to a monster on your opponent's side of the field and treat it as an Equip Card. Take control of the monster that is equipped with this card. Increase your opponent's Life Points by 500 points during each of his/her Standby Phases.


Now is it treated as a equip spell or and equip card?? cause if its an equip card, mst should not destroy it
 
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To answer both questions.

Yes, "Brain Jacker" can be destroyed by "Mystical Space Typhoon" while it is equipped to a monster. It is considered an Equip Spell Card. It's in the Spell/Trap Zone.
[edit] - I just noticed you pointed out the fact the word 'Spell' is missing from it's text for "Equip Spell Card". Since there is no such thing as an 'Equip Card', it would appear to be an erroneous typo. It IS treated as an 'Equip Spell Card'.

No, "Blue-Eyes White Dragon" would not get equipped by "Brain Jacker". "Brain Jacker" must survive the attack in order for it's effect to work/resolve. Unlike "Kiseitai", since "Kiseitai" has the text that states "No damage calculation is conducted"; therefore it is not destroyed, so it's effect can resolve. But just in case you want an 'official' answer...
From the UDE FAQ:
"If this monster is attacked while face-down, and is destroyed as a result of battle, its effect does not activate. (Unlike "Kiseitai" because "Kiseitai" has an effect preventing damage calculation.)"

lol..isn't that funny...I wrote mine from memory...lol..it's almost word for word...that's just sad...lol...:D


Hope this helps!
 
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skey23 said:
I just noticed you pointed out the fact the word 'Spell' is missing from it's text for "Equip Spell Card". Since there is no such thing as an 'Equip Card', it would appear to be an erroneous typo. It IS treated as an 'Equip Spell Card'.
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The text is more correct than not. It is not a Spell Card, so it can only be treated as an Equip Card.

Remember, there are more than just Spell Cards that can be "treated as" Equip Cards by their effect.

Call of the Haunted
Soul Resurrection
Rare Metalmorph
Blast With Chain
 
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masterwoo0 said:
The text is more correct than not. It is not a Spell Card, so it can only be treated as an Equip Card.

Remember, there are more than just Spell Cards that can be "treated as" Equip Cards by their effect.

Call of the Haunted
Soul Resurrection
Rare Metalmorph
Blast With Chain
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Hmmm..ok, but for the purposes of his question, it would still be considered a valid target for the purposes of being able to be targeted and/or destroyed by "MST".
 
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masterwoo0 said:
The text is more correct than not. It is not a Spell Card, so it can only be treated as an Equip Card.

Remember, there are more than just Spell Cards that can be "treated as" Equip Cards by their effect.

Call of the Haunted
Soul Resurrection
Rare Metalmorph
Blast with Chain
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Uh . . .what? I know I sometimes miss things but know I haven't been out of the loop that long.
Call of the Haunted is not treated as an Equip.
Soul Resurrection is not treated as an Equip
Rare Metalmorph is not treated as an Equip

These cards are never treated as Equips. There effects are similar to Equips, but this is not what "treated" means.

Blast with Chain is treated as an Equip after activation and is subject to negation by cards like Imperial Order and the like.

There is no other form of Equip Card other than Spell. And the erratad version of Relinquished/Thousand-Eyes Restrict use the word equip without the word "Spell" and yet they are still considered Spell Cards.

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I want to clarify exactly how a face down monster card equipped to either
"Thousand-Eyes Restrict" (TER) or "Relinquished" (REL) is treated or thought of.

1)
I know a face-down monster is considered to be zero/zero ATK/DEF. Does it get
equipped face-down, or do you flip it face-up when you equip it?

2)
If it's left face-down, is it still considered an Equip Spell card?

3)
If so, is it considered a face-up Equip Spell card, or a face-down Equip Spell
card? Seeing as how the very essence of 'equipping' an Equip Spell card means
the Equip Spell card MUST be face up on the field, how can it be considered a
face-down Equip Spell card? I can't equip a face-down "Axe of Despair" to my
"Jinzo". Or is it the 'effect' of TER/REL that's allowing the card to be a
face-down Equip Spell card?


Two scenarios for you.

1. Player A has TER/REL on the field 'equipped' with a face-down monster.
It's Player B's turn and they play "Nobleman of Extermination" targeting the
face-down equipped monster card. Is this a legal target for "Nobleman"?

2. Player A has TER/REL on the field 'equipped' with a face-down monster.
It's Player B's turn and they Tribute Summon "Byser Shock". Would the 'equipped'
monster be returned to the Owner's hand? Would it stay 'equipped' to TER/REL?

Thanks!





Answer:

1)
It is equipped face-down to "Relinquished"/"Thousand-Eyes Restrict."

2)
It is still considered to be an Equip Spell Card.

3)
Face-down. It is because of "Relinquished"/"Thousand-Eyes Restrict" that this is
allowed.


Scenarios:
1 - The face-down card equipped to "Relinquished"/"Thousand-Eyes Restrict" is a
legal target for "Nobleman of Extermination."

2- The face-down card equipped to "Relinquished"/"Thousand-Eyes Restrict" will be
returned to its owner's hand by "Byser Shock's" effect.

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Honestly, they probably left the word "Spell" out to either make room or they figured we'd use our common sense.
 
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Digital Jedi said:
These cards are never treated as Equips. There effects are similar to Equips, but this is not what "treated" means.
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If you can say "similar to", then that must mean that it can be "treated as", when it comes to effects that would destroy Equip Cards.

This is a DIRECT QUOTE from Page 35 of the Version 5 Rulebook.

Equip Card
Normally Equip Card means an Equip Spell Card, however, sometimes Trap Cards, or Monster Cards are treated the same as an Equip Spell Card; the term "Equip Card" includes these.


Of course "Call of the Haunted" (and like cards) is not an Equip Spell Card because it does not have the symbol of an Equip Spell Card, but that does not detract from the fact that it is attached to the monster that it summons and virtually becomes an "Equipped Card" due to its attachment to the summoned monster.

Effects that would destroy an Equip Spell Card, CAN destroy a card that is similar to, or treated as, an Equip Card and in this case, there is no difference in terminology.
 
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masterwoo0 said:
The text is more correct than not. It is not a Spell Card, so it can only be treated as an Equip Card.

Remember, there are more than just Spell Cards that can be "treated as" Equip Cards by their effect.

Call of the Haunted
Soul Resurrection
Rare Metalmorph
Blast with Chain
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Yeah, I'm going to agree with everyone else here...

Call of the Haunted is a continous trap and is treated as such after activation
soul resurresction is a continous trap and is treated as such after activation
Rare Metalmorph is a continous trap and is treated as such after activation
Blast with Chain is a normal chain and is treated as a equip spell card after activation.

When I first saw Brain Jacker the first thing I noticed was the fact that it just said equip card and not equip spell card. This leads me to believe they did it on purpose so that Brain Jacker would still work while Imperial Order or Silent Swordsman LV7 is on the field. It also leads me to believe they may intend on making equip trap cards in the future :rolleyes:


Oh, and the REASON Brain Jacker must survive an attack for it to take a monster is that flip effects are applied after damage calculation... Brain Jacker can't equip to anything if it's destroyed so it's effect dissapears.
 
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exiledforcefreak said:
Yeah, I'm going to agree with everyone else here...

Call of the Haunted is a continous trap and is treated as such after activation
soul resurresction is a continous trap and is treated as such after activation
Rare Metalmorph is a continous trap and is treated as such after activation
Blast with Chain is a normal chain and is treated as a equip spell card after activation.

When I first saw Brain Jacker the first thing I noticed was the fact that it just said equip card and not equip spell card. This leads me to believe they did it on purpose so that Brain Jacker would still work while Imperial Order or Silent Swordsman LV7 is on the field. It also leads me to believe they may intend on making equip trap cards in the future :rolleyes:


Oh, and the REASON Brain Jacker must survive an attack for it to take a monster is that flip effects are applied after damage calculation... Brain Jacker can't equip to anything if it's destroyed so it's effect dissapears.
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You can call it what you want, but I think everyone is forgetting that an Equip Spell Card is still continuous also, even if it is an equip card.

An "equip" is nothing more than something attached to a monster by an effect.

An Equip Spell Card is nothing more than a Spell Card equipped to a monster. The key word in both are "equp". It does not have to be something that takes away or boost attack or defense to make it an Equip Card.

Dark Necrofear is not an Equip Spell Card. Its a monster card that becomes an Equip Card.

Archfiend of Gilfer is not an Equip Spell Card.

Kisetai is not an Equip Spell Card.

Nightmare Wheel and Spellbinding Circle are not Equip Cards, nor are they treated as one, but they are "Continuous Trap Cards".
 
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masterwoo0 said:
This is a DIRECT QUOTE from Page 35 of the Version 5 Rulebook.

Equip Card
Normally Equip Card means an Equip Spell Card, however, sometimes Trap Cards, or Monster Cards are treated the same as an Equip Spell Card; the term "Equip Card" includes these.


Of course "Call of the Haunted" (and like cards) is not an Equip Spell Card because it does not have the symbol of an Equip Spell Card, but that does not detract from the fact that it is attached to the monster that it summons and virtually becomes an "Equipped Card" due to its attachment to the summoned monster.
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I seriouly doubt that CotH can be considered an Equip Card. Equip is something that must have a legal target. If the Equip Card does not have a legal target, the Game Mechanic will destroy that Equip Card. In addition, Equip Card can only equip to a face-up monster. This is the nature of Equip Cards. Now, CotH, "Shadow Spell", and "Spellbinding Circle" can't be an Equip card because they can be targeted to a face-down monster. In fact, CotH can exist on the field meaninglessly, which is very much different from an Equip Card, which can't exist on the field without legal target. So, in a sense, all Equip Cards can be treated as Equip Spell Cards because they have the same game Mechanics.

Examples of a Trap Card that becomes Equip Card is "Blast with Chain".
 
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Dark Necro fear is not an Equip Spell Card? What the . . .
OKay, I realise that I go out on limbs all the time but I'm not backing down on this one.

Masterwoo0, this quote: "Equip Card
Normally Equip Card means an Equip Spell Card, however, sometimes Trap Cards, or Monster Cards are treated the same as an Equip Spell Card; the term "Equip Card" includes these." is specificaly speaking of cards like Dark Necrofear, Brain Jacker, Blast with Chain, and a monster "absorbed" by Relinquished. A continuous Trap or even a Spell is never, ever, ever treated like an equip. Saying thier "similar" is like saying Quick-play Spell is similar to Trap, similar . . . but they are not "treated" as traps.

The effct of the card that says treat this card as an Equip means that the card is an Equip Spell Card. Leaving the word "Spell" out means absolutly nothing. There is no difference between an Equip Card and an Equip Spell Card, never has been. And quite frankly I'm suprised anyone would even think otherwise.
 
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There is a defference how many equip spell cards do you know that can be attached to a monster face down.

TER/Relinquish all you to equip a card that is face down to them. By not calling it an equip spell card it gets around the ruling about equip spell cards being face up to be equiped to a monster.
 
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BURN said:
There is a defference how many equip spell cards do you know that can be attached to a monster face down.

TER/Relinquish all you to equip a card that is face down to them. By not calling it an equip spell card it gets around the ruling about equip spell cards being face up to be equiped to a monster.
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Not calling it an equip spell card has nothing to do with why Rel/TER can equip a face down card. Rel/TER equip a card by their own effect. If you equip a card (say, Mage Power) to Rel/TER by Mage Power's effect, it would have to be face up, just like all equips have to be face up when equipped by their own effects. Rel/Ter, just as in the other thread, is simply a bad example.

I have to agree with Digital Jedi, any card equipped to another card is, for all intents and purposes, an equip spell card, and is treated as such.
 
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So you say Spellbinding Circle is considered an equiped spell card but if the monster goes off the field in anyother matter besides being destroyed Spellbinding Circle stays on the field.
 
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The monsters affected by Thousand-Eyes Restrict/Relinquished are Equip Spell Cards equipped to TER/Relinquished. That the monster is face-down is irrelevant. It is still treated as a face-up Equip Spell Card (and can be affected/destroyed by those effects that target Spell Cards). This is due to the effect of TER/Relinquished.

Call of the Haunted is most definitely NOT an Equip Spell Card, nor is it treated as such. It is a Continuous Trap Card that targets a monster. If it were treated as an Equip Spell Card, then if the targeted monster were turned face-down or removed from the field in any fashion (rather than being required to be destroyed), Call of the Haunted would be destroyed. It isn't. In those situations, it remains on the field meaninglessly.

Soul Resurrection has the same conditions as Call of the Haunted.

Rare Metalmorph is also NOT treated as an Equip Card. It is a continuous Trap and is not subject to the same destruction conditions as that of an Equip Card (which IS an Equip Spell Card.)

Archfiend of Gilfer, Dark Necrofear, etc., while they are using their effects ARE Equip Spell Cards (because the game treats them as such). Those cards that target Spell Cards will affect them. Those cards that target monsters will not.

The text of 'Equip Card' as opposed to 'Equip Spell Card', incidentally only emerges in FET (with a single card in DCR). This indicates to me that it is merely a change in templating and not creating a new type of effect.
 
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Dlanaan said:
The monsters affected by Thousand-Eyes Restrict/Relinquished are Equip Spell Cards equipped to TER/Relinquished. That the monster is face-down is irrelevant. It is still treated as a face-up Equip Spell Card (and can be affected/destroyed by those effects that target Spell Cards). This is due to the effect of TER/Relinquished.
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Sorry, Dlanaan, but when TER/Relinquished sucked a face-down monster, that monster is considered face-down Equip Spell Card. This is why you can use "Nobleman of Extermination" on it.

EDIT: here is the link to the Judge's List: http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/messages?id=4193#4193
 
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