Call of the Haunted & Snatch Steal - remain on field?

[Wizit]

Hello

When the monsters equipped with equip cards like Call of the Haunted and Snatch Steal go face-down, I understand that the equip card no longer has a valid target so is no longer equipped even if the monster is flipped back up.

However, in this case, do the equip cards (Call, Snatch) get removed from the field or must they stay on the field meaninglessly, filling up valuable spaces?

Thanks
Wizit

 

[RPGKid]

I know that Snatch Steal falls off the monster, but I think that call is frozen on the field, but I'm not sure.

 

[Tiso]

Snatch Steal is an Equip Spell Card and follows the same mechanics of being removed from the field. Call of the Haunted is an Equip Card? I am not sure. Either way it does not meet the conditions if the monster was Tributed. The card stays on the field. Although right now there is confusion and some odd answer to a question going on about Call of the Haunted. Basically, if you flip the monster face-down Call of the Haunted becomes meaningless, which makes no sense in my opinion since it should still be considered attached to it like they do in the video games that I am sure I saw happen. Snatch Steal is a whole new situation where if the monster is flipped face-down you keep it for good or something.

 

[Jathro]

First off, Call of the Haunted is NOT an Equip card. It is a Continuous Trap that targets the monster.

Snatch Steal will be removed if the target is flipped face-down. If it was your opponent's monster that was snatched, you get to keep it. Call of the Haunted will remain there meaninglessly if the target is flipped face-down. If Call of the Haunted is later removed, the monster that was brought back by it will still be safe.

 

[Jason_C]

Call of the Haunted will remain there meaninglessly if the target is flipped face-down.

But just remember, when reading the card's text, that NOTHING says that. This is the epitome of BKSS. Call says monsters are summoned face up, it NEVER says that they cannot later be flipped face down. So if it were Nightmare Wheel instead of Call, NW would not lose its target.

...for future reference...

 

[Tiso]

But just remember, when reading the card's text, that NOTHING says that. This is the epitome of BKSS. Call says monsters are summoned face up, it NEVER says that they cannot later be flipped face down. So if it were Nightmare Wheel instead of Call, NW would not lose its target.

...for future reference...

My Reasoning is because none of the conditions are met and from the video games of it I have played, whenever I flipped the monster over I would still see Call of the Haunted attached to it.

 

[BenjaminMS]

uh? Don't trust the videogames and the series when you want to rule a card. They are worthless to base it on.

 

[Jason_C]

I didn't say you were wrong. Just that nothing in the card or game mechanics suggests that.

 

[Tiso]

The PC games are as close to the real thing as possible. Even newer GBA games have had the same thing about the Call of the Haunted card. Unless I see some documentation about it saying:

Well because we say so that it will become a meaningless card

From Konami or whatever I am going to go by what the video game have done for a number of games, even if that is not a good basis for rulings it is the only one I can go by.

 

[Absird]

:bkss_jedi I disagree but<--

 

[chaosruler]

Well, actually, it makes sense. If Call of the Haunted loses it's target by having the monster flipped face-down, what is it going to destroy? It does not know which monster it brought back, so it sits there taking up an s/t slot. Also, if the monster is tributed, since the only ways Call of the Haunted can remove itself from the field are explicitly stated on the card, and tributing is not one of them, then Call of the Haunted, being a Continuous Trap Card, sits uselessly on the field.

-John

 

[Tiso]

Well, actually, it makes sense. If Call of the Haunted loses it's target by having the monster flipped face-down, what is it going to destroy? It does not know which monster it brought back, so it sits there taking up an s/t slot. Also, if the monster is tributed, since the only ways Call of the Haunted can remove itself from the field are explicitly stated on the card, and tributing is not one of them, then Call of the Haunted, being a Continuous Trap Card, sits uselessly on the field.

-John

You are forgetting about other Continuous Trap Cards that can attach to face-down cards. If Konami Reasoning is because

Well because we say so, so niyah

Then my Reasoning to accept that logic is

7 up yours Konami.

 

[chaosruler]

The wording on Nightmare Wheel vs. the wording on Call of the Haunted may be what is causing the discrepancy. Nightmare Wheel states as long as the card remains face-up on the field, while Call of the Haunted has no such clause to make sure that it can destroy itself when the monster is tributed/flipped face-down then destroyed.

-John

 

[Jason_C]

The wording on Nightmare Wheel vs. the wording on Call of the Haunted may be what is causing the discrepancy. Nightmare Wheel states as long as the card remains face-up on the field, while Call of the Haunted has no such clause to make sure that it can destroy itself when the monster is tributed/flipped face-down then destroyed.

-John

I think you may have misunderstood what Tiso said. It's not about whether the monster is destroyed when flipped face down. It's about whether Call ever even loses its target. And nothing in game mechanics nor card effect even remotely suggests it would.

Remember, Call is NOT an equip card, it just happens to SOMETIMES behave like one. Nothing on the card says its target must be face up.

...and again, the epitome of BKSS...

 

[DaGuyWitBluGlasses]

Nightmare whell can target a face-down card in the first place. It could be said that Nightmare Wheel and Spellbinding Circle target a Card.

Call of the Haunted declares a name, say Gemini Elf, and it continues to target a monster, Gemini Elf. When a card goes face-down for most effects its name and level and stats all Disappear. It is no longer the Gemini Elf. Call of the Haunted doesn't recognize anything other than a Gemini Elf, so it loses its target.

 

[Jason_C]

Nightmare whell can target a face-down card in the first place. It could be said that Nightmare Wheel and Spellbinding Circle target a Card.

Call of the Haunted declares a name, say Gemini Elf, and it continues to target a monster, Gemini Elf. When a card goes face-down for most effects its name and level and stats all Disappear. It is no longer the Gemini Elf. Call of the Haunted doesn't recognize anything other than a Gemini Elf, so it loses its target.

I couldn't possibly disagree more. First of all, the auto-link tells me that both NW and S-binding do indeed target MONSTERS. Secondly, Call targets a monster in your grave at activation and continues to search for that monster in your grave at resolution so it can be summoned. Once Call has RESOLVED completely, there is nothing stopping it from continuing to watch over that monster even if it is turned face down.

 

[Absird]

Shadow Spell can only terget faceup monsters. But unlike call if the monster if flipped face down, it's still Shadow Spell'ed. (this is not in the hyperlink rulings either)

 

[skey23]

Actually, I don't believe the monster is still 'targeted' by "Shadow Spell" if it (the monster) gets flipped face-down. That link should be severed when that happens because "Shadow Spell" can only 'target' face-up cards.

 

[Jason_C]

Actually, I don't believe the monster is still 'targeted' by "Shadow Spell" if it (the monster) gets flipped face-down. That link should be severed when that happens because "Shadow Spell" can only 'target' face-up cards.

I think Skey is right (OMFG!! I AGREE WITH SKEY!!!), but I also think that this can be waved away simply by saying that S-spell specifically states it must target face up monsters. Nothing on Call says that.

I'm afraid I may still be misunderstood. I am not attempting to prove that Call shouldn't lose its target when the target is face down. I'm only attempting to prove that nothing on the card SAYS it would.

 

[slither]

I think Skey is right (OMFG!! I AGREE WITH SKEY!!!), but I also think that this can be waved away simply by saying that S-spell specifically states it must target face up monsters. Nothing on Call says that.

I'm afraid I may still be misunderstood. I am not attempting to prove that Call shouldn't lose its target when the target is face down. I'm only attempting to prove that nothing on the card SAYS it would.

Actually it does specify the position of the monster, assuming it could be targeted either way, it would not specify in which position you could summon it.

Call of the Hunted
Select 1 monster from your Graveyard and Special Summon it in face-up Attack Position. When this card is removed from the field, destroy the monster. When the monster is destroyed, destroy this card.