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If i have 2 Card of Safe Return on the field, and a special summon from the graveyard occurs (ie Premature Burial, Call of the Haunted, etc,.), do I draw 2 or only 1 card?
Card of Safe Return
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Deathjester
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If you have 2 Card of Safe Return cards in play and a monster is Special Summoned from your Graveyard, their effects activate at the same time and go on a chain. If the last thing to occur was the Summon, you would be able to successfully resolve each CoSR.
Lord Hades
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...I believe that u could only draw one card since the effect of "Card of Safe Return" is optional, but I could be wrong...
Lord Hades said:
In this case it really doesn't matter since they both activate at the exact same time, they just form a chain.
This is similar to the case of Heart of the Underdog.
Suppose you have 3 copies of "Heart of the Underdog" on the field, and draw a Normal Monster Card during your Draw Phase. All 3 copies of "Heart of the Underdog" immediately activate their effects, and because they activate simultaneously, they form a chain with Chain Links 1, 2, and 3.
This is why its important to understand exactly what "Missing the Timing" means. Optional Triggers only miss their activation timing. But once their effect successfully triggers, "missing the timing" no longer applies. An effect can't "miss the timing" to resolve. If two optional effects activate at the same time, they form a chain. An Optional Effect's location on the chain will not cause it to miss its timing. It's the location on the chain of the event that would trigger an optional effect that would do that.
Except Theinen the Great Sphinx.
"¢ Since Summoning "Theinen the Great Sphinx" is a Spell Speed 1 effect (Trigger Effect), you cannot chain multiple Special Summons of "Theinen the Great Sphinx" to one another. This means you can only Special Summon 1 copy of "Theinen the Great Sphinx" when the conditions are correct. You CANNOT pay 1000 Life Points to Special Summon 2 copies of this card.
"¢ Since Summoning "Theinen the Great Sphinx" is a Spell Speed 1 effect (Trigger Effect), you cannot chain multiple Special Summons of "Theinen the Great Sphinx" to one another. This means you can only Special Summon 1 copy of "Theinen the Great Sphinx" when the conditions are correct. You CANNOT pay 1000 Life Points to Special Summon 2 copies of this card.
Theinen the Great Sphinx is not an Optional Trigger Effect.
Digital Jedi said:
Actually it is.
In order to use his effect to hit the field, the last thing to occur must be Andro Sphinx and Sphinx Teleia are destoyed at the same time. If not you do miss the timing on bringing him out. (I had asked the judge list this question awhile ago and Curtis wrote me back explaining that).
Okay, but how is it an "exception" to what I stated ealier?
The timing is right to activate its effect; the last thing to happen is the two sphinxes being removed from the field. Yet, somehow, you can't activate two effects in chain.
Card of Safe Return is Spell Speed 1, and yet you can have two make a chain if a monster is summoned.
It also implies that it Coffin Seller is on your opponent's field, then you can't Summon Theinen.
Personally, I think it's a Summon effect (like Cyber Dragon), and you can't have two summon effects respond to the same thing. That would make more sense.
Card of Safe Return is Spell Speed 1, and yet you can have two make a chain if a monster is summoned.
It also implies that it Coffin Seller is on your opponent's field, then you can't Summon Theinen.
Personally, I think it's a Summon effect (like Cyber Dragon), and you can't have two summon effects respond to the same thing. That would make more sense.
Because their activation is not forced, it's still a manually activated effect. When we talk about two Optional Effects triggering at the same time, we're talking about the SEGOC mechanic, where both effects met their activation timing and trigger with nothing to stop them. Theinen the Great Sphinx is a choice to activate, where something like Heart of the Underdog triggers, and you now have a choice to resolve it.
You're saying that with Theinen you have a choice in whether to activate the effect? As opposed to other Optional Triggers, where you have a choice in whether to resolve the effect?
Isn't a choice in whether to activate the effect in the first place called an Ignition Effect?
Isn't a choice in whether to activate the effect in the first place called an Ignition Effect?
Isn't how you bring out "Thenien the Great Sphinx" his summoning conditions and not an effect at all? His effect that increases his Life Points is an optional trigger effect, but not how you bring him out. Unless you're not talking about that part. I'm kind of confused...
Okay, different angle.
Ignoring Theinen for a second, you say that Optional Trigger effects always activate, but you choose at resolution whether or not to resolve it.
By that definition, Peten the Dark Clown always activates, and always removes himself from play as a cost to activate. You then choose at resolution whether or not to summon another.
Digital Jedi said:
Ignoring Theinen for a second, you say that Optional Trigger effects always activate, but you choose at resolution whether or not to resolve it.
By that definition, Peten the Dark Clown always activates, and always removes himself from play as a cost to activate. You then choose at resolution whether or not to summon another.
By that definition, Peten's effect activates and you can now choose to remove him from play to Special Summon another. The optional portion of the effect begins with his removal.Entropy said:
EDIT: I don't think I ever stated that Optional Effects always activate. I said when an Optional Effect activates, you get a choice of whether to resolve them or not. That's the "you can" part. What I was saying was their activation is not necessarily what's optional, rather choosing to use the effect is what's optional.